The first book was called 'The Map that Came to Life' and was published by
Oxford University Press in 1948, reprinted often until at least 1963.
John and Joanna featured, and walked with Rover from Two Tree Farm at
Blegdon to the fair at Dumbleford, using their one-inch [alas, no sheet no!]
which of course contained just about every symbol in the 1" repertoire.
For today's star prize, what was the name of the station?  The trains looked
straight out of the Hornby-Dublo catalogue!
One of my young family's favourite books, I was delighted to find out at the
time.
Didn't know about the cycling sequel, but there was a matching volume about
the River Thames later.
Gerry Zierler.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Birch" <strataflorida@...>
To: <ordnancemaps@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:22 PM
Subject: [ordnancemaps] Old children's story books with OS maps


> This is my first posting, and I hope someone can help me with a
> query!
>
> Some 35 years ago when I was a frequent user of the Children's
> section of the local library I remember reading two landscape-format
> picture books, each with a similar design, in which a brother and
> sister travelled across country using one-inch OS maps. In the first
> one they walked but in the second they used bikes. Each page had a
> illustration of the countryside the children were crossing with a
> corresponding (made-up!) 7th series OS map extract below it. Both
> the illustrations and the maps were continuous through the book,
> i.e. they followed straight on from one page to the next without any
> gaps.
>
> I'd like to try and track down a copy of each book for nostalgic
> reasons but I've no idea what the titles are nor the name of the
> author! Has anyone here ever come across either book and can provide
> the information please? Thanks!
>
> Regards
> David Birch
>
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Many thanks to everyone who helped with my query. I've
found a picture of the cover to "The Map That Came to
Life" here:

http://www.geographypages.co.uk/Mapthatcame1.gif

That looks familar! I work in a library so I might try
and get hold of a copy through our inter-library loans
department.

The sequel I'm thinking of could well be "The Open
Road" - my recollection was that the children stayed
at a Youth Hostel which would suggest that bikes
rather than a car was used - but maybe they stayed at
the hostel in the first book?

Anyway hopefully I can now delve into some nostalgia!
:-)

Regards
David


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I strongly suspect that the book in which the children
walk across the
countryside is "The map that came to life", written by
H J Deverson  and
illustrated by Ronald Lampitt...

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David Birch wrote:


> Many thanks to everyone who helped with my query. I've
> found a picture of the cover to "The Map That Came to
> Life" here:
>
> http://www.geographypages.co.uk/Mapthatcame1.gif

...

> The sequel I'm thinking of could well be "The Open
> Road" - my recollection was that the children stayed
> at a Youth Hostel which would suggest that bikes
> rather than a car was used - but maybe they stayed at
> the hostel in the first book?

Joan and Joanna were shown round (but did not stay at) a Youth Hostel
in "The Map That Came to Life".

I haven't got a copy of "The Open Road", but there is a picture of it
at http://www.fulltable.com/VTS/aoi/l/lampitt/k.htm

Rod

The list is up to date and may be found at
http://www.watsonlv.addr.com/os-maps.htm .

Lez

Any guesses as to the meaning of "Active"?

Lots of work for you typing out all that lot!
Judging by the price quoted in the Leisure Map Catalogue online (£13.99
ea.), I would assume 'Active' to mean either a laminated or somehow
otherwise 'outdoors-compatible' map. Maybe they've come up with an ingenious
new fold that allows the user to inspect any part of either side of the map
without having to open the whole thing out! To paraphrase a previous poster
(I forget who): "Have you ever tried to open out a double-sided Explorer in
a Force 7 gale?"
There seem not to have been any press releases from Ordnance Survey on this
subject recently (I've checked back as far as November last year) so I
wonder if they want to keep it under wraps until March...?

Ed

----- Original Message -----
From: "Leslie V Watson" <Lez4Lynne@...>
To: <ordnancemaps@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 8:32 PM
Subject: [ordnancemaps] Small scale maps summary list.


> The list is up to date and may be found at
> http://www.watsonlv.addr.com/os-maps.htm .
>
> Lez
>
> Any guesses as to the meaning of "Active"?
>
>
>
>
>
> The ordnancemaps group is independent of  The Charles Close Society
> http://www.charlesclosesociety.org.uk and The Ordnance Surveys of Great
> Britain http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk, Northern Ireland
> http://www.osni.gov.uk/  and  Ireland http://www.osi.ie/ . Members may
> wish to check out past emails to the group in the ordnancemaps archive at
> http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/ordnancemaps
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I saw one of these "Active" Maps, and the only
difference that I could see is that it comes with a
plastic cover. I saw it in WHSmiths'

In essance comes with its own map case.



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I think we're on the right track.  Bill Henwood thinks they may be
water resistant maps of the old style, i.e. not the thick laminated
ones we currently see on the OS point of sale displays, but something
similar to the impregnated sheets of long ago.

I see the editions used for the 'Active' collection are number
reprints - rather than bar reprints - and all seem to have the access
lands included, but there are quite a few that are, or will be, out of
date on day of publication.

Oh well...

Lez

So the 2007 Tour de France will begin in London and travel through
Kent. (See here for details:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/cycling/4697168.stm )
I wonder if we can expect a special Ordnance Survey map showing the
route, as happened back in 1994 - the last time the Tour came to
Britain!

Ed

If my memory is correct I seem to remember it was maps rather than map
as they had to reprint after spelling Folkstone incorrectly and marking
part of the route wrongly.

Pete


So the 2007 Tour de France will begin in London and travel through
Kent. (See here for details:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/cycling/4697168.stm ) I
wonder if we can expect a special Ordnance Survey map showing the
route, as happened back in 1994 - the last time the Tour came to
Britain!

Ed

Lez Watson wrote:

> > Any guesses as to the meaning of "Active"?

Ed Fielden wrote:

> Judging by the price quoted in the Leisure Map Catalogue online
> (£13.99 ea.), I would assume 'Active' to mean either a laminated
> or somehow otherwise 'outdoors-compatible' map.

> There seem not to have been any press releases from Ordnance
> Survey on this subject recently (I've checked back as far as
> November last year) so I wonder if they want to keep it under
> wraps until March...?

Extract from Press Release dated 13 February 2006, at
http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/media/news/2006/feb/osoutdo
orsshow.html:

"To further celebrate the access land initiative, Ordnance Survey is
launching OS Explorer Map – Active, a more durable and weatherproof
version of 180 of the most popular OS Explorer Map titles. Thanks to
an enhanced finishing process, the alternative maps have a
lightweight protective plastic coating that can be written on to
highlight favourite routes. The tougher, more versatile versions
offer more choice for active map users keen to visit areas off the
beaten track in all seasons."

So, indeed, it looks like they are being launched at The Ordnance
Survey Outdoors Show on 17–19 March 2006.

Rod

The press release suggests that these MAY be a definite improvement
over the encapsulated mapping which has been on sale in W.H.Smith and
elsewhere over the past few years, not leeast in terms of bulk, but
this just-possibly-potential user will wait until he can handle one!

This is, of course, by no means the first time that OS have offered a
more durable product, first Place's Waterproof in the 1930s, and then
tear-and-water-resistant about 20 years ago. Both may have suffered
because of premium price, and the tear-and-water-resistant maps had a
finish which gave a 'bown', 'used' feel even before the maps had left
the shops. One ASSUMES that this time OS have done some market
research...

I wonder if there is a 'hidden agenda' to all this? £13:99 is much
closer to the prices of OS-Select than to that of the standard
offering... And a general rise of price levels might facilitate a move
away from 'conventional' printing and publishing towards
print-on-demand...

R.O.

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:06:02 -0000 Rod Sladen <maps@...>
wrote:

> Lez Watson wrote:
>
> > > Any guesses as to the meaning of "Active"?
>
> Ed Fielden wrote:
>
> > Judging by the price quoted in the Leisure Map Catalogue online
> > (£13.99 ea.), I would assume 'Active' to mean either a laminated
> > or somehow otherwise 'outdoors-compatible' map.
>
> > There seem not to have been any press releases from Ordnance
> > Survey on this subject recently (I've checked back as far as
> > November last year) so I wonder if they want to keep it under
> > wraps until March...?
>
> Extract from Press Release dated 13 February 2006, at
> http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/media/news/2006/feb/osoutdo
> orsshow.html:
>
> "To further celebrate the access land initiative, Ordnance Survey is
> launching OS Explorer Map <EN DASH> Active, a more durable and weatherproof
> version of 180 of the most popular OS Explorer Map titles. Thanks to
> an enhanced finishing process, the alternative maps have a
> lightweight protective plastic coating that can be written on to
> highlight favourite routes. The tougher, more versatile versions
> offer more choice for active map users keen to visit areas off the
> beaten track in all seasons."
>
> So, indeed, it looks like they are being launched at The Ordnance
> Survey Outdoors Show on 17<EN DASH>19 March 2006.
>
> Rod
>
>
>
>
>
> The ordnancemaps group is independent of  The Charles Close Society 
http://www.charlesclosesociety.org.uk and The Ordnance Surveys of Great Britain
http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk, Northern Ireland http://www.osni.gov.uk/  and 
Ireland http://www.osi.ie/ . Members may wish to check out past emails to the
group in the ordnancemaps archive at
http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/ordnancemaps
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

-------------------
Richard Oliver, B.A., D.Phil., F.B.Cart.S.,
School of Geography, Archaeology & Earth Resources
University of Exeter
Exeter, EX4 4RJ

These are available now ...

Richard Oliver wrote:

>The press release suggests that these MAY be a definite improvement
>over the encapsulated mapping which has been on sale in W.H.Smith and
>elsewhere over the past few years, not leeast in terms of bulk, but
>this just-possibly-potential user will wait until he can handle one!
>
>This is, of course, by no means the first time that OS have offered a
>more durable product, first Place's Waterproof in the 1930s, and then
>tear-and-water-resistant about 20 years ago. Both may have suffered
>because of premium price, and the tear-and-water-resistant maps had a
>finish which gave a 'bown', 'used' feel even before the maps had left
>the shops. One ASSUMES that this time OS have done some market
>research...
>
>I wonder if there is a 'hidden agenda' to all this? £13:99 is much
>closer to the prices of OS-Select than to that of the standard
>offering... And a general rise of price levels might facilitate a move
>away from 'conventional' printing and publishing towards
>print-on-demand...
>
>R.O.
>
>On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:06:02 -0000 Rod Sladen <maps@...>
>wrote:
>
>
>
>>Lez Watson wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>Any guesses as to the meaning of "Active"?
>>>>
>>>>
>>Ed Fielden wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Judging by the price quoted in the Leisure Map Catalogue online
>>>(£13.99 ea.), I would assume 'Active' to mean either a laminated
>>>or somehow otherwise 'outdoors-compatible' map.
>>>
>>>
>>>There seem not to have been any press releases from Ordnance
>>>Survey on this subject recently (I've checked back as far as
>>>November last year) so I wonder if they want to keep it under
>>>wraps until March...?
>>>
>>>
>>Extract from Press Release dated 13 February 2006, at
>>http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/media/news/2006/feb/osoutdo
>>orsshow.html:
>>
>>"To further celebrate the access land initiative, Ordnance Survey is
>>launching OS Explorer Map <EN DASH> Active, a more durable and weatherproof
>>version of 180 of the most popular OS Explorer Map titles. Thanks to
>>an enhanced finishing process, the alternative maps have a
>>lightweight protective plastic coating that can be written on to
>>highlight favourite routes. The tougher, more versatile versions
>>offer more choice for active map users keen to visit areas off the
>>beaten track in all seasons."
>>
>>So, indeed, it looks like they are being launched at The Ordnance
>>Survey Outdoors Show on 17<EN DASH>19 March 2006.
>>
>>Rod
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>The ordnancemaps group is independent of  The Charles Close Society 
http://www.charlesclosesociety.org.uk and The Ordnance Surveys of Great Britain
http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk, Northern Ireland http://www.osni.gov.uk/  and 
Ireland http://www.osi.ie/ . Members may wish to check out past emails to the
group in the ordnancemaps archive at
http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/ordnancemaps
>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>-------------------
>Richard Oliver, B.A., D.Phil., F.B.Cart.S.,
>School of Geography, Archaeology & Earth Resources
>University of Exeter
>Exeter, EX4 4RJ
>
>
>
>The ordnancemaps group is independent of  The Charles Close Society 
http://www.charlesclosesociety.org.uk and The Ordnance Surveys of Great Britain
http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk, Northern Ireland http://www.osni.gov.uk/  and 
Ireland http://www.osi.ie/ . Members may wish to check out past emails to the
group in the ordnancemaps archive at
http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/ordnancemaps
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I'm pleased to report that this product seems no better than the other
one.  The plastic covering may be a bit thinner, but the creases show
up nicely.

Lez

Why don't they use the same waterproof material that 'Harvey Maps' use?

I passed this information on to vanessa lawrence with a hint that it
might be an opportunity for this year's event?

David Andrews

--- In ordnancemaps@..., "Peter Stubbs" <pstubbs@e...>
wrote:
>
> If my memory is correct I seem to remember it was maps rather than
map
> as they had to reprint after spelling Folkstone incorrectly and
marking
> part of the route wrongly.
>
> Pete
>
>
> So the 2007 Tour de France will begin in London and travel through
> Kent. (See here for details:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/cycling/4697168.stm )
I
> wonder if we can expect a special Ordnance Survey map showing the
> route, as happened back in 1994 - the last time the Tour came to
> Britain!
>
> Ed
>

I was glancing at my OS 1:250,000 for South West England and was
struck by something not previously spotted; in the text block giving
details of ferry sailings out of Pembroke is the statement in brackets
"four days per year". This is in the 2003 edition. I see though the
same remark is made in my edition of two years previous. Not repeated
in the latest publication though.

This perhaps might relate to Irish Ferries sailing's to Cork, did they
run on just four days per year I wonder? Hardly worth arranging
facilities for so few visits surely. Odd also that OS should consider
such minimal voyages worth plotting.

Perusing the latest OS editions at this scale, I notice how much
they've improved - even over those of just a couple of years ago. Pity
that other national map organisations cannot seem to bring their own
publications up to the standard of our own Ordnance Survey.

Not only in the method of detail display though: I was travelling
through Sweden last week, and was really wishing their 1:250,000's
were folded in the same way our's are. All ours are folded to open
sideways - very easy to use. The Swedish maps I was using opened
vertically - an absolute pain to handle.

While there; I did take a look at Swedish 1:50,000's - 99 Krona, which
at around 13 and a half to the pound, equates to about £7.35 - very
dear, considering the sheet size is around a quarter of OS's at this
scale.

Philip

There is an Irish Ferries sailing twice-daily to Rosslare.
Occasionally Swansea-Cork Ferries (different company) are forced to use
Pembroke when exceptionally-low tides mean they can't get into Swansea.
Wouldn't have thought it was worth putting on a map !

Peter
(lives in Co Cork, but works in Southampton so a bit of an "expert*" on
these ferries)
* Ex = something that has been; spurt = drip under pressure

-----Original Message-----
From: ordnancemaps@... [mailto:ordnancemaps@...]
On Behalf Of Philip Fry
Sent: 02 March 2006 20:25
To: ordnancemaps@...
Subject: [ordnancemaps] 1:250,000's


I was glancing at my OS 1:250,000 for South West England and was
struck by something not previously spotted; in the text block giving
details of ferry sailings out of Pembroke is the statement in brackets
"four days per year". This is in the 2003 edition. I see though the
same remark is made in my edition of two years previous. Not repeated
in the latest publication though.

  snip

Philip




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O/S datum benchmarks

Will anybody who can  help Richard Porch  please email him  directly as
he is not a member if the group. NOTE that  the attachment  he mention
is not on the email as the ordnancemaps group does not allow atachments
- If you wish to see a copy please email me  and I will send you a copy
offline.

Thanks Pete
ccs webmaster

>>>

I'm in touch now as someone preparing a heritage trail guide for Swansea
city centre. In looking at the granite kerbstones that edge the
pavements on the way to High Street Station, I noticed a large number of
curious arrow-shaped marks on some of them, see attachment. ( At first I
took them to be some sort of stonemason's mark but was corrected by the
City Engineer. I then wrote to the O/S at Southampton who added that the
marks were "benchmarks" which showed..."the height of which relative to
Ordnance Datum has been determined by spirit levelling." Also that
"Ordnance Survey Datum was adopted in 1921 and this is where the mean
level of the sea from which heights above sea level is taken". They also
suggested a book called Ordnance Survey Maps by J B Harley but that it
was out of print. Is there much more to be known about "benchmarks"?

Richard Porch

From: Porch, Richard [mailto:Richard.Porch@...]
Sent: 02 March 2006 16:01
To: 'webmaster@...'
Subject: O/S datum benchmarks

Hi,

   I would suggest that Richard joins Yahoo Group Trigonomy. There are many there
would could probably expand on this.
   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/trigonomy/

   Also many other recommended sites related to bench marks.
http://www.bench-marks.org.uk/

   http://www.deformedweb.co.uk/trigs/data/2GLIndex.shtml

http://www.oncloudseven.com/fayers/fbmlist.htm

   These may not help too much directly with Swansea, but should give some
addition background knowledge on the subject.

   Regards,

   Graeme Paterson
   Edinburgh

Peter Stubbs <pstubbs@...> wrote:
   O/S datum benchmarks

Will anybody who can  help Richard Porch  please email him  directly as
he is not a member if the group. NOTE that  the attachment  he mention
is not on the email as the ordnancemaps group does not allow atachments
- If you wish to see a copy please email me  and I will send you a copy
offline.

Thanks Pete
ccs webmaster

>>>

I'm in touch now as someone preparing a heritage trail guide for Swansea
city centre. In looking at the granite kerbstones that edge the
pavements on the way to High Street Station, I noticed a large number of
curious arrow-shaped marks on some of them, see attachment. ( At first I
took them to be some sort of stonemason's mark but was corrected by the
City Engineer. I then wrote to the O/S at Southampton who added that the
marks were "benchmarks" which showed..."the height of which relative to
Ordnance Datum has been determined by spirit levelling." Also that
"Ordnance Survey Datum was adopted in 1921 and this is where the mean
level of the sea from which heights above sea level is taken". They also
suggested a book called Ordnance Survey Maps by J B Harley but that it
was out of print. Is there much more to be known about "benchmarks"?

Richard Porch

From: Porch, Richard [mailto:Richard.Porch@...]
Sent: 02 March 2006 16:01
To: 'webmaster@...'
Subject: O/S datum benchmarks




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I have now added the image to the file area of  ordnancemaps

Pete

-----Original Message-----
From: ordnancemaps@...
[mailto:ordnancemaps@...] On Behalf Of Peter Stubbs
Sent: 07 March 2006 09:02
To: ordnancemaps@...
Cc: 'Porch, Richard'
Subject: [ordnancemaps] RE: O/S datum benchmarks


O/S datum benchmarks

Will anybody who can  help Richard Porch  please email him  directly as
he is not a member if the group. NOTE that  the attachment  he mention
is not on the email as the ordnancemaps group does not allow atachments
- If you wish to see a copy please email me  and I will send you a copy
offline.

Thanks Pete
ccs webmaster

>>>

I'm in touch now as someone preparing a heritage trail guide for Swansea
city centre. In looking at the granite kerbstones that edge the
pavements on the way to High Street Station, I noticed a large number of
curious arrow-shaped marks on some of them, see attachment. ( At first I
took them to be some sort of stonemason's mark but was corrected by the
City Engineer. I then wrote to the O/S at Southampton who added that the
marks were "benchmarks" which showed..."the height of which relative to
Ordnance Datum has been determined by spirit levelling." Also that
"Ordnance Survey Datum was adopted in 1921 and this is where the mean
level of the sea from which heights above sea level is taken". They also
suggested a book called Ordnance Survey Maps by J B Harley but that it
was out of print. Is there much more to be known about "benchmarks"?

Richard Porch

From: Porch, Richard [mailto:Richard.Porch@...]
Sent: 02 March 2006 16:01
To: 'webmaster@...'
Subject: O/S datum benchmarks




The ordnancemaps group is independent of  The Charles Close Society
http://www.charlesclosesociety.org.uk and The Ordnance Surveys of Great
Britain http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk, Northern Ireland
http://www.osni.gov.uk/  and  Ireland http://www.osi.ie/ . Members may
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These are updated and may be found at http://www.watsonlv.addr.com/os-
maps.htm .

Lez

Pete Stubbs wrote (on behalf of Richard Porch ):

> O/S datum benchmarks

> In looking at the granite kerbstones that edge the pavements on
> the way to High Street Station, I noticed a large number of
> curious arrow-shaped marks on some of them, see attachment.

> I have now added the image to the file area of ordnancemaps

> ( At first I took them to be some sort of stonemason's mark but
> was corrected by the City Engineer. I then wrote to the O/S at
> Southampton who added that the marks were "benchmarks".

The arrow looks far too crude to be an OS benchmark and, even if it
was, it would need to point to a rivet or some such reference point
(which does not appear to be the case).  I'd stick with the mason's
mark theory.  The "large number" makes that even more likely.

Cheers ... Rod

BTW  The Explorer list has loads of amendments to the new 'Active'
editions: namely changes of quite a number of edition codes to bar
reprints - more in line with the current regular editions.  There are
a few curiosities left though, including e.g. an Active sheeet A1/ for
which there isn't a regular A1/ yet!!

L

I agree.  This image is certainly NOT an OS Bench mark.  The arrow
is not defined well enough and the "legs" of the arrow should be of
equal length.  Also, as stated. there should be either a rivet or a
pivot hole at the point of the arrow.  A mason's mark seems to be
favourite.

David Andrews
Ex OS Chief Surveyor (Swansea)

--- In ordnancemaps@..., "Rod Sladen" <maps@r...>
wrote:
>
> Pete Stubbs wrote (on behalf of Richard Porch ):
>
> > O/S datum benchmarks
>
> > In looking at the granite kerbstones that edge the pavements on
> > the way to High Street Station, I noticed a large number of
> > curious arrow-shaped marks on some of them, see attachment.
>
> > I have now added the image to the file area of ordnancemaps
>
> > ( At first I took them to be some sort of stonemason's mark but
> > was corrected by the City Engineer. I then wrote to the O/S at
> > Southampton who added that the marks were "benchmarks".
>
> The arrow looks far too crude to be an OS benchmark and, even if
it
> was, it would need to point to a rivet or some such reference point
> (which does not appear to be the case).  I'd stick with the
mason's
> mark theory.  The "large number" makes that even more likely.
>
> Cheers ... Rod
>

Hi again,

I am looking into the possibility of bringing a group of college
students to the UK and the Netherlands for a two-week intensive map
class.  I have a good, though obvious, list of museums, libraries,
and universities to visit.  But it is not clear to me from the
Ordnance Survey's website if they have an educational facility,
museum, or archive that would be open to such a group at their
Southampton campus.

I imagine the sort of place where a group would be welcomed with a
10-20 minute video showing the history of the organization up to
the present day, and then the opportunity to view surveying artifacts
and maps generated throughout the organization's history, and maybe
a walking tour through some of the studios/labs.

My email to the O/S was acknowledged, but has not yet been answered,
and I'm sure the members of this group would know about such a
facility if it existed.

I'm also open to other suggestions of places to go; apologies if
that's off-topic, and of course people could contact me directly
at mataro@... and I can summarize.

Many thanks, Eric

Greetings,

I joined the list a few days ago, and thought I should send a brief
message introducing myself.  I'm posting from San Francisco, where
I've started teaching map-related classes at local art schools,
particularly the California College of the Arts and the San Francisco
Center for the Book.  I have a Ph.D in industrial engineering--perhaps
the field "operational research" rings a bell for some of you--but
I am also an artist, working in film (16mm), photography, and
printmaking.

The classes define maps and mapping very broadly--including maps
as metaphors, mapping in non-visual media, and some amount of
speculative fiction and phenomena such as dowsing--but my engineering
background makes me want to do a good job with the history of
cartography and surveying, and of course that leads directly to the
Ordnance Survey, past and present.

I'm happy to be here, and happy to learn from you all.

I do have one dumb question, and will ask it in a subsequent message.

--Eric

Re Iain Taylor's question to the Yahoo group about History
Today's London maps:

I'm Brian Quinn from Timeline Maps and we publish this for HT.
The map is based on OS Old Series one-inch sheets from
1805-1819 (nos 1, 6, 7 and 8), combined to cover all of London
and re-projected and re-scaled to match the modern-day
Landranger. Repro standard: very careful digital re-touching and
top-quality litho printing. Hope this helps.

BRIAN QUINN



--- In ordnancemaps@..., Iain Taylor
<mapman@h...> wrote:
>
> Anyone know which OS map (1805-19)of London  is being
given away with
> subs. for History Today?
>
> I would guess first ed. one inch?
>
> If so what standard is the repro?
>
> iain Taylor
> Halifax, NS
>
> >
>

Dear all

I have had the following family-history enquiry:

"In 1885 my grandfather  was a T9a, whatever that means, in the Ordnance
Survey.  From then until his death in 1909 he travelled around the country
carrying out various survey tasks.  In 1907 he was granted a Certificate of
Qualification as Established Civil Assistant in the Ordnance Survey, which
was sent to the Board of Agriculture and Fisheries. Are there any records
or literature which might give some background to the work, or any archives
giving the locations visited?"

Does anyone know what a T9a might have been? There is a suggestion that the
'T' might stand for Training.

I have looked in Owen and Pilbeam and in Seymour with no obvious success
but without knowing what it stands for any further research is a bit tricky!

I will also refer the enquirer to OS and TNA (with no promise of success!)

Many thanks

Anne

Anne Taylor
Head of Map Department, Cambridge University Library, West Road, Cambridge
CB3 9DR
Tel: 01223-333041.   Fax: 01223-333160.   email: aemt2@...
http://www.lib.cam.ac.uk/maps/Home.htm

I am sceptical of any 'answer' emerging for 'T9a', and even if this was
solved there is certainly nothing which would enable an OS member of
staff's movements, etc, to be reconstructed. HOWEVER, I am wondering if
'T9a' is a correct reading of the text? 'TCA' is 'Temporary Civil
Assistant' (Victorian Civil Service's equivalent of
'short-term-contract-non-pensionable-ha-ha' staff). I notice that the chap
became an established Civil Assistant later on. There is not much in the
way of staff records for the OS in the 19th century, but what there is
makes 'TCA' highly likely, and 'T9a' baffling-with-knobs-on!

Richard Oliver
(short-term-contract University staff)

> Dear all
>
> I have had the following family-history enquiry:
>
> "In 1885 my grandfather  was a T9a, whatever that means, in the Ordnance
> Survey.  From then until his death in 1909 he travelled around the country
> carrying out various survey tasks.  In 1907 he was granted a Certificate
> of
> Qualification as Established Civil Assistant in the Ordnance Survey, which
> was sent to the Board of Agriculture and Fisheries. Are there any records
> or literature which might give some background to the work, or any
> archives
> giving the locations visited?"
>
> Does anyone know what a T9a might have been? There is a suggestion that
> the
> 'T' might stand for Training.
>
> I have looked in Owen and Pilbeam and in Seymour with no obvious success
> but without knowing what it stands for any further research is a bit
> tricky!
>
> I will also refer the enquirer to OS and TNA (with no promise of success!)
>
> Many thanks
>
> Anne
>
> Anne Taylor
> Head of Map Department, Cambridge University Library, West Road, Cambridge
> CB3 9DR
> Tel: 01223-333041.   Fax: 01223-333160.   email: aemt2@...
> http://www.lib.cam.ac.uk/maps/Home.htm
>
>
>
> The ordnancemaps group is independent of  The Charles Close Society
> http://www.charlesclosesociety.org.uk and The Ordnance Surveys of Great
> Britain http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk, Northern Ireland
> http://www.osni.gov.uk/  and  Ireland http://www.osi.ie/ . Members may
> wish to check out past emails to the group in the ordnancemaps archive at
> http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/ordnancemaps
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I agree with this interpretation - this is what I suggested, Anne, when I
was at CUL yesterday. I take Richard's independent view as some support for
what seems to be the likliest explanation.

Yo
----- Original Message -----
From: <R.R.Oliver@...>
To: <ordnancemaps@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: [ordnancemaps] T9a


>I am sceptical of any 'answer' emerging for 'T9a', and even if this was
> solved there is certainly nothing which would enable an OS member of
> staff's movements, etc, to be reconstructed. HOWEVER, I am wondering if
> 'T9a' is a correct reading of the text? 'TCA' is 'Temporary Civil
> Assistant' (Victorian Civil Service's equivalent of
> 'short-term-contract-non-pensionable-ha-ha' staff). I notice that the chap
> became an established Civil Assistant later on. There is not much in the
> way of staff records for the OS in the 19th century, but what there is
> makes 'TCA' highly likely, and 'T9a' baffling-with-knobs-on!
>
> Richard Oliver
> (short-term-contract University staff)
>
>> Dear all
>>
>> I have had the following family-history enquiry:
>>
>> "In 1885 my grandfather  was a T9a, whatever that means, in the Ordnance
>> Survey.  From then until his death in 1909 he travelled around the
>> country
>> carrying out various survey tasks.  In 1907 he was granted a Certificate
>> of
>> Qualification as Established Civil Assistant in the Ordnance Survey,
>> which
>> was sent to the Board of Agriculture and Fisheries. Are there any records
>> or literature which might give some background to the work, or any
>> archives
>> giving the locations visited?"
>>
>> Does anyone know what a T9a might have been? There is a suggestion that
>> the
>> 'T' might stand for Training.
>>
>> I have looked in Owen and Pilbeam and in Seymour with no obvious success
>> but without knowing what it stands for any further research is a bit
>> tricky!
>>
>> I will also refer the enquirer to OS and TNA (with no promise of
>> success!)
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>> Anne
>>
>> Anne Taylor
>> Head of Map Department, Cambridge University Library, West Road,
>> Cambridge
>> CB3 9DR
>> Tel: 01223-333041.   Fax: 01223-333160.   email: aemt2@...
>> http://www.lib.cam.ac.uk/maps/Home.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> The ordnancemaps group is independent of  The Charles Close Society
>> http://www.charlesclosesociety.org.uk and The Ordnance Surveys of Great
>> Britain http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk, Northern Ireland
>> http://www.osni.gov.uk/  and  Ireland http://www.osi.ie/ . Members may
>> wish to check out past emails to the group in the ordnancemaps archive at
>> http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/ordnancemaps
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> The ordnancemaps group is independent of  The Charles Close Society
> http://www.charlesclosesociety.org.uk and The Ordnance Surveys of Great
> Britain http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk, Northern Ireland
> http://www.osni.gov.uk/  and  Ireland http://www.osi.ie/ . Members may
> wish to check out past emails to the group in the ordnancemaps archive at
> http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/ordnancemaps
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>