These are long overdue, but I finally put them up in the "members own
comics" photo album. Go take a look-see.

ha ha, 'from Hove'? is hove famous for patronising bigots? my friend and i are
considering puting together a scrapbook zine of terrifying things from brighton
and hove magazines, such as the interview with the woman who runs one of the
brighton art galleries: 'if i ruled the country id house all the homeless but
not in normal residential areas'.

shada_2001 <no_reply@...> wrote:Alright Dave, thanks for keeping
in touch.
As for me being on Trisha, as much as the idea amuses me, it twas not
I...maybe i have an evil twin i never knew existed or have been
secretly cloned (or I'm the clone that went wrong).
Or else Paula smoked something much stronger than Drum Baccy and I
magically appeared on TV?

The website is very dry and has knocked the ol patronising bigot nail
on the head.

If it wasn't quite obviously from the US, I'd have guessed 'Sally &
Johnny' were from Hove.

Look forward to the email,
Sean



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<digitalpiratebroadcasting@y...> wrote:
> Alright Sean,
> Its Dave from Roasta.com my other I-d has gone a bit weird So Im
> using this one.
> How are you ?
> Paula says she saw you on 'Trisha' This morning on the ITV 1,
sharing
> a smile with the world from the back seats of the audience.
> Can you please confirm / deny this rumour ?
> Check out this website, for once its not one of mine but it is very
> funny and has a more serious underlying point.
> http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com
> Cheers,
> Dave
> ps.. I'll send you a personal email Sean.


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--- In outsiderslookingin@..., Terri Affleck
<goregoreclambake@y...> wrote:
>> ha ha, 'from Hove'? is hove famous for patronising bigots? my
friend and i are considering puting together a scrapbook zine of
terrifying things from brighton and hove magazines, such as the
interview with the woman who runs one of the brighton art
galleries: 'if i ruled the country id house all the homeless but not
in normal residential areas'.<<

If she's refering to the suburbs, why not? There is nothing normal
about suburbs anywhere.
Is homelessness a big problem in Brighton? It certainly has become
one in Vancouver and the Lower Mainland in the last decade.

I wouldn't say Hove was famous for it but I've come across one or two
myself...the zine sounds like a good idea and the quote is a
beauty...So do you live in Brighton then?


--- In outsiderslookingin@..., Terri Affleck
<goregoreclambake@y...> wrote:
> ha ha, 'from Hove'? is hove famous for patronising bigots? my
friend and i are considering puting together a scrapbook zine of
terrifying things from brighton and hove magazines, such as the
interview with the woman who runs one of the brighton art
galleries: 'if i ruled the country id house all the homeless but not
in normal residential areas'.
>
> shada_2001 <no_reply@...> wrote:Alright Dave, thanks
for keeping in touch.
> As for me being on Trisha, as much as the idea amuses me, it twas
not
> I...maybe i have an evil twin i never knew existed or have been
> secretly cloned (or I'm the clone that went wrong).
> Or else Paula smoked something much stronger than Drum Baccy and I
> magically appeared on TV?
>
> The website is very dry and has knocked the ol patronising bigot
nail
> on the head.
>
> If it wasn't quite obviously from the US, I'd have guessed 'Sally &
> Johnny' were from Hove.
>
> Look forward to the email,
> Sean
>
>
>
> --- In outsiderslookingin@..., "DPB"
> <digitalpiratebroadcasting@y...> wrote:
> > Alright Sean,
> > Its Dave from Roasta.com my other I-d has gone a bit weird So Im
> > using this one.
> > How are you ?
> > Paula says she saw you on 'Trisha' This morning on the ITV 1,
> sharing
> > a smile with the world from the back seats of the audience.
> > Can you please confirm / deny this rumour ?
> > Check out this website, for once its not one of mine but it is
very
> > funny and has a more serious underlying point.
> > http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com
> > Cheers,
> > Dave
> > ps.. I'll send you a personal email Sean.
>
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Yep there's a lot of homelessness in Brighton and the housing
facilities are stacked against anyone who doesn't have a money for a
bond, references or guarantors and want's to get rented accomodation.
There's one or two hostels for the homeless but people i know who've
been in them say their often far from safe (especially for womwn) as
there often tends to be one or two predatory types causing trouble
and picking fights.

On the other hand there also seems to be room for more yuppie flats,
supermarkets and big retail outlets in Brighton (all on derelict
land), Sainsbury's alone have just clinched a deal to build another
store by the train station even though they have two other very large
stores within a mile radius of each other.



--- In outsiderslookingin@..., hypernode1
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> --- In outsiderslookingin@..., Terri Affleck
> <goregoreclambake@y...> wrote:
> >> ha ha, 'from Hove'? is hove famous for patronising bigots? my
> friend and i are considering puting together a scrapbook zine of
> terrifying things from brighton and hove magazines, such as the
> interview with the woman who runs one of the brighton art
> galleries: 'if i ruled the country id house all the homeless but
not
> in normal residential areas'.<<
>
> If she's refering to the suburbs, why not? There is nothing normal
> about suburbs anywhere.
> Is homelessness a big problem in Brighton? It certainly has become
> one in Vancouver and the Lower Mainland in the last decade.

hi, just a quick email before i go away from the computer for a couple of weeks,
ive got to get the night bus to durham...i think ive got a copy of muzzle mouth
around the house, ill dig it out. im going to get my new comic, also yurt's new
comic, copied when i come back so if you or anyone else for that matter wants
copies then email your address. weve only had one known review as yet so that
would be wonderful! ive never been interviewed before, well i can answer
questions by email coherentlyi suppose!
i saw lydia lunch live this year it was incredible! also she was playing with
terry edwards which was a bonus treat. i wanted toxic gumbo for so many years
that the excitement was probably impairing my critical faculties, i liked ted
mckeevers art well enough but i think i was perhaps hoping for something that
looked more psychedelic, not necessarily in a conventional way, after reading an
interview with lunch where she talked about how the girl is born hallucinating.
i do seem to remember thinking that the layout played up the strength of the
text which doesnt really stray from a sort of lunch monologue, making it suit a
sort of sequential format. the fingerman book was more disappointing because it
didnt really engage with the text apart from being a series of illustrations,
and the girl looked kind of weird. but i did like her stories in both cases.
admittedly i did read quite late invisibles but since the characteristions
annoyed me i trash the whole thing because im a moo!
the collected David Boring book i found very impressive and cinematic. there was
an animated trailer for it somewhere on the internet which was quite spooky.
someone loaned us 'a childs life' by phoebe gloekner this week which has pretty
great realistic/surreal artwork and is pretty harrowing. excellent anatomical
illustrations too...
bye for now until around christmas....watch out for the krampus!




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yes but hopefully moving in march...do you?

shada_2001 <no_reply@...> wrote:I wouldn't say Hove was famous for
it but I've come across one or two
myself...the zine sounds like a good idea and the quote is a
beauty...So do you live in Brighton then?


--- In outsiderslookingin@..., Terri Affleck
<goregoreclambake@y...> wrote:
> ha ha, 'from Hove'? is hove famous for patronising bigots? my
friend and i are considering puting together a scrapbook zine of
terrifying things from brighton and hove magazines, such as the
interview with the woman who runs one of the brighton art
galleries: 'if i ruled the country id house all the homeless but not
in normal residential areas'.
>
> shada_2001 <no_reply@...> wrote:Alright Dave, thanks
for keeping in touch.
> As for me being on Trisha, as much as the idea amuses me, it twas
not
> I...maybe i have an evil twin i never knew existed or have been
> secretly cloned (or I'm the clone that went wrong).
> Or else Paula smoked something much stronger than Drum Baccy and I
> magically appeared on TV?
>
> The website is very dry and has knocked the ol patronising bigot
nail
> on the head.
>
> If it wasn't quite obviously from the US, I'd have guessed 'Sally &
> Johnny' were from Hove.
>
> Look forward to the email,
> Sean
>
>
>
> --- In outsiderslookingin@..., "DPB"
> <digitalpiratebroadcasting@y...> wrote:
> > Alright Sean,
> > Its Dave from Roasta.com my other I-d has gone a bit weird So Im
> > using this one.
> > How are you ?
> > Paula says she saw you on 'Trisha' This morning on the ITV 1,
> sharing
> > a smile with the world from the back seats of the audience.
> > Can you please confirm / deny this rumour ?
> > Check out this website, for once its not one of mine but it is
very
> > funny and has a more serious underlying point.
> > http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com
> > Cheers,
> > Dave
> > ps.. I'll send you a personal email Sean.
>
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That's weird, you're going up to Durham for a couple of weekd and I'm
going up to neighbouring Cleveland in just over a week.

I'll email my address to you for you and you friends' comic. Then i
can review it for the next ish.

Which Muzzle Mouth have you got? #2 was the best buy far (so far)
IMHO.

Yeah, when I saw Lydia, Terry Edwards was playing with her too, along
with a really good drummer and electronic wiz. Lydia and Terry really
complemented each other well. she did these really sultry, husky
bluesy numbers then went onto these wild shamanic type hurricanes; I
remember one where she was going on about Durga cutting her head off
to kill demons.
Her show was very hypnotic & cathartic. It was funny cos she had all
these worshipping little male groupies at the front hoping to get her
attention.
I've heard good things about the Phoebe Gloekner book, still haven't
got to read it yet.

Hope you have a good time up North Terri, talk to you when you get
back!

--- In outsiderslookingin@..., Terri Affleck
<goregoreclambake@y...> wrote:
> hi, just a quick email before i go away from the computer for a
couple of weeks, ive got to get the night bus to durham...i think ive
got a copy of muzzle mouth around the house, ill dig it out. im going
to get my new comic, also yurt's new comic, copied when i come back
so if you or anyone else for that matter wants copies then email your
address. weve only had one known review as yet so that would be
wonderful! ive never been interviewed before, well i can answer
questions by email coherentlyi suppose!
> i saw lydia lunch live this year it was incredible! also she was
playing with terry edwards which was a bonus treat. i wanted toxic
gumbo for so many years that the excitement was probably impairing my
critical faculties, i liked ted mckeevers art well enough but i think
i was perhaps hoping for something that looked more psychedelic, not
necessarily in a conventional way, after reading an interview with
lunch where she talked about how the girl is born hallucinating. i do
seem to remember thinking that the layout played up the strength of
the text which doesnt really stray from a sort of lunch monologue,
making it suit a sort of sequential format. the fingerman book was
more disappointing because it didnt really engage with the text apart
from being a series of illustrations, and the girl looked kind of
weird. but i did like her stories in both cases.
> admittedly i did read quite late invisibles but since the
characteristions annoyed me i trash the whole thing because im a moo!
> the collected David Boring book i found very impressive and
cinematic. there was an animated trailer for it somewhere on the
internet which was quite spooky.
> someone loaned us 'a childs life' by phoebe gloekner this week
which has pretty great realistic/surreal artwork and is pretty
harrowing. excellent anatomical illustrations too...
> bye for now until around christmas....watch out for the krampus!
>
>
>
>
> come to our clambake:
>  http://www32.brinkster.com/clambake
> --our comics, pictures, ragdolls...wombs, whales, weird horror.
> *some mature content*
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Yep, i've been here for 3 years now, I'm originally from the North
East. I live in central Brighton on a busy main road.

--- In outsiderslookingin@..., Terri Affleck
<goregoreclambake@y...> wrote:
> yes but hopefully moving in march...do you?
>
> shada_2001 <no_reply@...> wrote:I wouldn't say Hove
was famous for it but I've come across one or two
> myself...the zine sounds like a good idea and the quote is a
> beauty...So do you live in Brighton then?
>
>
> --- In outsiderslookingin@..., Terri Affleck
> <goregoreclambake@y...> wrote:
> > ha ha, 'from Hove'? is hove famous for patronising bigots? my
> friend and i are considering puting together a scrapbook zine of
> terrifying things from brighton and hove magazines, such as the
> interview with the woman who runs one of the brighton art
> galleries: 'if i ruled the country id house all the homeless but
not
> in normal residential areas'.
> >
> > shada_2001 <no_reply@...> wrote:Alright Dave,
thanks
> for keeping in touch.
> > As for me being on Trisha, as much as the idea amuses me, it twas
> not
> > I...maybe i have an evil twin i never knew existed or have been
> > secretly cloned (or I'm the clone that went wrong).
> > Or else Paula smoked something much stronger than Drum Baccy and
I
> > magically appeared on TV?
> >
> > The website is very dry and has knocked the ol patronising bigot
> nail
> > on the head.
> >
> > If it wasn't quite obviously from the US, I'd have guessed 'Sally
&
> > Johnny' were from Hove.
> >
> > Look forward to the email,
> > Sean
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In outsiderslookingin@..., "DPB"
> > <digitalpiratebroadcasting@y...> wrote:
> > > Alright Sean,
> > > Its Dave from Roasta.com my other I-d has gone a bit weird So
Im
> > > using this one.
> > > How are you ?
> > > Paula says she saw you on 'Trisha' This morning on the ITV 1,
> > sharing
> > > a smile with the world from the back seats of the audience.
> > > Can you please confirm / deny this rumour ?
> > > Check out this website, for once its not one of mine but it is
> very
> > > funny and has a more serious underlying point.
> > > http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com
> > > Cheers,
> > > Dave
> > > ps.. I'll send you a personal email Sean.
> >
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page updated (spelling corrected as well):

http://www.digikissed.com/ss2.html

I like it alienbarbie, but i haven't got the foggiest what it's all
about...nice to see a new and improved 'Bobmobile'
;-)

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<alienbarbiebaby@y...> wrote:
>
> page updated (spelling corrected as well):
>
> http://www.digikissed.com/ss2.html

The heartbeat is shared one to another
strong regulating rhythm from sister to brother
I hear your calling, you hear mine
travelling from mind to heart, through soul & spine
Flowing like a poem
blood through the vein
vibrations through the earth
overcoming the pain
it's something not heard or seen in THEIR world
rather through our living we see the truth uncurled
We break their glamours, we release the hold
we shake ourselves off and come in from the cold.

Just when they think we're crushed, that's when we rise
Pheonix from the ashes, wide open eyes
Whilst there's air still to breathe
life still to live
dreams to be dreamt
things still to give.
See through their smokescreens, cut through their lies
release the anxiety, breathe out the sighs
Don't accept the half-truths they want you to swallow
the convenient happy pills that make you feel hollow
Nor be ashamed of yourself or hate what you are
don't let their vultures of psyche rip-open and scar
Imperfection is blessed that's the way of her nature
Wild and everchanging is why they still hate her
Cos they long ago forgot how to let themselves free
So now they keep down others in captivity
But volcanos erupt, and dams overflow
and in the right conditions, then something different will grow
So don't cut it down before it takes root
feel the heartbeat within you however minute
because it'll echo and grow with those all around
if we trust in what's there, we'll hear our own sound
this is no mystery, nothing profound
Just the beat and the rhythm,
a slow steady pound.

This is really beautiful. I could almost hear a drum heartbeat in the
background.


--- In outsiderslookingin@..., shada_2001
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> The heartbeat is shared one to another
> strong regulating rhythm from sister to brother
> I hear your calling, you hear mine
> travelling from mind to heart, through soul & spine
> Flowing like a poem
> blood through the vein
> vibrations through the earth
> overcoming the pain
> it's something not heard or seen in THEIR world
> rather through our living we see the truth uncurled
> We break their glamours, we release the hold
> we shake ourselves off and come in from the cold.
>
> Just when they think we're crushed, that's when we rise
> Pheonix from the ashes, wide open eyes
> Whilst there's air still to breathe
> life still to live
> dreams to be dreamt
> things still to give.
> See through their smokescreens, cut through their lies
> release the anxiety, breathe out the sighs
> Don't accept the half-truths they want you to swallow
> the convenient happy pills that make you feel hollow
> Nor be ashamed of yourself or hate what you are
> don't let their vultures of psyche rip-open and scar
> Imperfection is blessed that's the way of her nature
> Wild and everchanging is why they still hate her
> Cos they long ago forgot how to let themselves free
> So now they keep down others in captivity
> But volcanos erupt, and dams overflow
> and in the right conditions, then something different will grow
> So don't cut it down before it takes root
> feel the heartbeat within you however minute
> because it'll echo and grow with those all around
> if we trust in what's there, we'll hear our own sound
> this is no mystery, nothing profound
> Just the beat and the rhythm,
> a slow steady pound.

Actually this reminds me of a question i had meant to ask a while
back - are you using music software of any type - like Qbase, Sonar,
Groove Agent, (just played with that and a hammond B3 emulator today -
  fun, fun, fun! Like Booker-T backed by Massive Attack circa
Mezzanine) etc?
What's your take on the editing process in writing, btw.? Had a group
of 20-something poets take my head off recenlt for mine, so I am
curious.

-- In outsiderslookingin@..., shada_2001
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> The heartbeat is shared one to another
> strong regulating rhythm from sister to brother
> I hear your calling, you hear mine
> travelling from mind to heart, through soul & spine
> Flowing like a poem
> blood through the vein
> vibrations through the earth
> overcoming the pain
> it's something not heard or seen in THEIR world
> rather through our living we see the truth uncurled
> We break their glamours, we release the hold
> we shake ourselves off and come in from the cold.
>
> Just when they think we're crushed, that's when we rise
> Pheonix from the ashes, wide open eyes
> Whilst there's air still to breathe
> life still to live
> dreams to be dreamt
> things still to give.
> See through their smokescreens, cut through their lies
> release the anxiety, breathe out the sighs
> Don't accept the half-truths they want you to swallow
> the convenient happy pills that make you feel hollow
> Nor be ashamed of yourself or hate what you are
> don't let their vultures of psyche rip-open and scar
> Imperfection is blessed that's the way of her nature
> Wild and everchanging is why they still hate her
> Cos they long ago forgot how to let themselves free
> So now they keep down others in captivity
> But volcanos erupt, and dams overflow
> and in the right conditions, then something different will grow
> So don't cut it down before it takes root
> feel the heartbeat within you however minute
> because it'll echo and grow with those all around
> if we trust in what's there, we'll hear our own sound
> this is no mystery, nothing profound
> Just the beat and the rhythm,
> a slow steady pound.

Thanx Em :-) --- In outsiderslookingin@..., xradicalx
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> This is really beautiful. I could almost hear a drum heartbeat in
the
> background.
>
>
> --- In outsiderslookingin@..., shada_2001
> <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > The heartbeat is shared one to another
> > strong regulating rhythm from sister to brother
> > I hear your calling, you hear mine
> > travelling from mind to heart, through soul & spine
> > Flowing like a poem
> > blood through the vein
> > vibrations through the earth
> > overcoming the pain
> > it's something not heard or seen in THEIR world
> > rather through our living we see the truth uncurled
> > We break their glamours, we release the hold
> > we shake ourselves off and come in from the cold.
> >
> > Just when they think we're crushed, that's when we rise
> > Pheonix from the ashes, wide open eyes
> > Whilst there's air still to breathe
> > life still to live
> > dreams to be dreamt
> > things still to give.
> > See through their smokescreens, cut through their lies
> > release the anxiety, breathe out the sighs
> > Don't accept the half-truths they want you to swallow
> > the convenient happy pills that make you feel hollow
> > Nor be ashamed of yourself or hate what you are
> > don't let their vultures of psyche rip-open and scar
> > Imperfection is blessed that's the way of her nature
> > Wild and everchanging is why they still hate her
> > Cos they long ago forgot how to let themselves free
> > So now they keep down others in captivity
> > But volcanos erupt, and dams overflow
> > and in the right conditions, then something different will grow
> > So don't cut it down before it takes root
> > feel the heartbeat within you however minute
> > because it'll echo and grow with those all around
> > if we trust in what's there, we'll hear our own sound
> > this is no mystery, nothing profound
> > Just the beat and the rhythm,
> > a slow steady pound.

I've just started using Cubase SX (On my college course, since
October)There's some nice VST instruments plug-ins at the college,
far better than the soundcard sounds.
The hammond emulator sounds fun...Booker T meets Massive...now that;s
interesting!

I don't really have strong feelings on the editing process with
writing...sometimes i think things just flow and you hardly need to
edit if at all, other times i find i need to edit my work a lot.
Especially if it's long.

What's your take? Why'd those 20-somethings nearly take yer head off?

--- In outsiderslookingin@..., hypernode1
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Actually this reminds me of a question i had meant to ask a while
> back - are you using music software of any type - like Qbase,
Sonar,
> Groove Agent, (just played with that and a hammond B3 emulator
today -
>  fun, fun, fun! Like Booker-T backed by Massive Attack circa
> Mezzanine) etc?
> What's your take on the editing process in writing, btw.? Had a
group
> of 20-something poets take my head off recenlt for mine, so I am
> curious.
>
> -- In outsiderslookingin@..., shada_2001
> <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > The heartbeat is shared one to another
> > strong regulating rhythm from sister to brother
> > I hear your calling, you hear mine
> > travelling from mind to heart, through soul & spine
> > Flowing like a poem
> > blood through the vein
> > vibrations through the earth
> > overcoming the pain
> > it's something not heard or seen in THEIR world
> > rather through our living we see the truth uncurled
> > We break their glamours, we release the hold
> > we shake ourselves off and come in from the cold.
> >
> > Just when they think we're crushed, that's when we rise
> > Pheonix from the ashes, wide open eyes
> > Whilst there's air still to breathe
> > life still to live
> > dreams to be dreamt
> > things still to give.
> > See through their smokescreens, cut through their lies
> > release the anxiety, breathe out the sighs
> > Don't accept the half-truths they want you to swallow
> > the convenient happy pills that make you feel hollow
> > Nor be ashamed of yourself or hate what you are
> > don't let their vultures of psyche rip-open and scar
> > Imperfection is blessed that's the way of her nature
> > Wild and everchanging is why they still hate her
> > Cos they long ago forgot how to let themselves free
> > So now they keep down others in captivity
> > But volcanos erupt, and dams overflow
> > and in the right conditions, then something different will grow
> > So don't cut it down before it takes root
> > feel the heartbeat within you however minute
> > because it'll echo and grow with those all around
> > if we trust in what's there, we'll hear our own sound
> > this is no mystery, nothing profound
> > Just the beat and the rhythm,
> > a slow steady pound.

Just came to wish everyone a good solstice and a great xmas. I'm
going up North to visit family and friends tomorrow and won't be back
till the 29th. Very doubtful i'll be in touch till then so have a
good time one and all.
Regards,
Sean

> I don't really have strong feelings on the editing process with
> writing...sometimes i think things just flow and you hardly need to
> edit if at all, other times i find i need to edit my work a lot.
> Especially if it's long.
>
> What's your take? Why'd those 20-somethings nearly take yer head
off?

Well I basically said that the state of writing was declining because
people have been too lazy to treat writing as a craft in addition to
using it as a mode for expression. There are things I have written
that I felt were fine as they had been jotted down, but the vast
majority of things I have written have needed to treated severely. I
believe artists need to be disciplined and be hard on their work.
   I know some very dedicated, talented, hard working poets in
Montreal (Jeffrey Mackie - my former roommate - and Larissa
Andrusyshyn) who were just not getting any respect for their talent.
Instead, the "Spoken Word" artists were getting all the credit. Some
were quite talented but very undisciplined and unfocused. Cool turns
oof phrase do not a poem make, however. One young woman, Paula
Belina, is a very talented and charismatic writer, but Paula's
biggest failing is that Paula only ever writes about Paula. Whereas
Larrisa's writing I found comperable to the old Soviet/Russian poets
llike Akhmatova and possibly Marina Tsvetayeva.
   Having been roommates with Jeffrey Mackie, I know how disciplined a
writer he is. I really like his material and would say check out a
bit of his stuff at this link.
http://www.angelfire.com/on/abovegroundtesting/agt59.html

I like your fiend Jeff's poems on that page. I think the one about
the guys working late night was my favourite.

I never got to read his anti-war poems...I want to now...i'll have to
trace back through the posts and see if you posted a link to them...


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<no_reply@y...> wrote:
>
> > I don't really have strong feelings on the editing process with
> > writing...sometimes i think things just flow and you hardly need
to
> > edit if at all, other times i find i need to edit my work a lot.
> > Especially if it's long.
> >
> > What's your take? Why'd those 20-somethings nearly take yer head
> off?
>
> Well I basically said that the state of writing was declining
because
> people have been too lazy to treat writing as a craft in addition
to
> using it as a mode for expression. There are things I have written
> that I felt were fine as they had been jotted down, but the vast
> majority of things I have written have needed to treated severely.
I
> believe artists need to be disciplined and be hard on their work.
>   I know some very dedicated, talented, hard working poets in
> Montreal (Jeffrey Mackie - my former roommate - and Larissa
> Andrusyshyn) who were just not getting any respect for their
talent.
> Instead, the "Spoken Word" artists were getting all the credit.
Some
> were quite talented but very undisciplined and unfocused. Cool
turns
> oof phrase do not a poem make, however. One young woman, Paula
> Belina, is a very talented and charismatic writer, but Paula's
> biggest failing is that Paula only ever writes about Paula. Whereas
> Larrisa's writing I found comperable to the old Soviet/Russian
poets
> llike Akhmatova and possibly Marina Tsvetayeva.
>   Having been roommates with Jeffrey Mackie, I know how disciplined
a
> writer he is. I really like his material and would say check out a
> bit of his stuff at this link.
> http://www.angelfire.com/on/abovegroundtesting/agt59.html

Happy New Year!!!....Hope 2004 is a good year to shake off the old,
breathe in the new and make it happen!

Hey Happy New year to yo too. it's never too late to wish that.

ceu

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hello,happy new year u people of the world

happy new year to you too, ive been in brighton for three maybe four years
(enough time to spend three years doing a degree in cultural and historical
studies and the best part of another year wondering why i bothered!)...i believe
it was Muzzlemouth two i picked up from davids comics ages ago and havent read
yet (not from lack of interest but because of my annoying habit of filling my
room with unread reading material) but i will this weekend...by the way how does
a person get that shop to sell their stuff? ive yet to approach a single store
in person.
our new comics are all scanned into my PC now but my print cartridge ran out
after id printed up about half of mine so im stuck until i find a way to make my
mastercopies that doesn't cost about £1 a page!
another thing i had lying around for ages that i didnt read was 'spooky sounds
of now', the Vesuvius comics anthology and CD comp someone loaned me about a
year ago (!). theres some superb work in there by Fiona Smyth (someone thought
my artwork was like hers, i couldnt really see why with her colour stuff,
although its cool, but her b/w---wow, i WISH i was that good...), Marc Baines,
Pakito Bolino, Louise Diedrich (an amazing horror story, the realism and
creepiness in her pictures of girls is unlike anything ive seen in a comic and i
generally hate realistic looking characters in comics), Gary Panter, Lorna
Miller, John Bagnall, Jad and David Fair....
  (word to the wise: theres a copy of this book/CD in the window of wax factor
right now. i dont want it its too much to spend on something ive read
already....)
and theres 2 David Shrigley strips. Does anyone in this group know anything
about him? he seems to have done a lot of self-publishing and has two different
books in the chain bookstores right now. im beginning to develop a fixation with
being frustrated by how much i dont undersand/dislike his work to the extent
that i feel like writing to him and asking him 'why?'. but maybe thats taking
the bait....
one of these strips has no narrative the other does have a sequential narrative
but its not very nice. the books in the shops arent comics but the same stuff
remains: all of his drawings are basically doodles and all his handwritten text
is complete with scratchings out. i cant find anything in his content that makes
up for this....
i love most self-taught or non-artist artists, and i suppose his stuff makes me
think about why i love the ones i do and not him. most of 'em stylise their
lack-of-conventional-talent into an aesthetic, and try to avoid scribblings out
and so forth...mark beyer's work is excessively neat....and on the messy and
truly inept side i actually even enjoyed Nick Zedd's ill-advised attempt at a
comic...jesus what a mess----but a spirit of sleaze, atmosphere and
what-happens-in-this-silly-man's-subconscious-mind shone thru.
David Shrigley's 'bad' drawing isnt a special world of 'bad' drawing it's
ANYONE's 'bad' drawing. maybe that has a merit in itself and maybe im just
jealous that hes got real books out.
his work has became the 'Irreversible' of the comics world for me....im always
looking for shocks and challenges and then along comes something that i think is
just repellent....something that baffles me and i cant even imagine could be
cathartic....well 'repellent' is a bit strong and applies to that film
(irreversible) more than Shrigley but its the same kind of feeling....and the
fact that i can write about these things at greater length than i would
something i actually like....
no male groupies at the lunch gig i went to, well, im sure a lot of the guys
were only there to look at her (and she still looks amazing..), the odd thing
would get shouted about her tits and shed just tell them to shut the fuck up.
thats to be expected but the fact that she did all that lydia schtick without me
doubting that it was genuine...oh i was so happy!  again, the whole band were
super talented and totally blew away the live stuf she's recorded like shotgun
wedding live....gospel singer especially is just pale without terry
edwards...sadly at the garage they just played indie-disco music and even robbie
williams before and after she was on which was ofensive and esp. when i heard
that at her birmingham gig they went to the effort to arrange for a no-wave DJ
and screening of her films befroe/after.
my other favourite gig for different reasons was calvin johnson at the
marlborough theatre....im still irritated that i couldnt aford to see diamanda
galas....to impersonate  bad journalists i name her two new albums early
entrants for the albums of the decade....




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Hello again Terri. To sell your stuff in Dave's Comics, well i just
went and asked the guy at the counter and he said i had to see steve
out the back (the guy who runs the shop with the bald head). He is
quite enthusiastic about local work, but they will make sure they
make a 100% profit too. (I was asking a pound for myself for my MM#2
and they were charging 2.50 for it originally, then they went down to
1.99. They tend to 'display' (contradiction in terms) your work in
very unnoticable places too most of the time.

As for printing costs, I'd offer to print off your masters on my
printer if you want, or else the resource centre on Tilbury place is
very cheap.

I don't know if you also know that they have a very good quality
duplo machine that is SO much cheaper for multiple copies than a
photocopier (if you do 80 copies it works out less than half price
than it would on a photocopier). I use it to print my zines (minus
the colour centre pages of course which i do at home - it uses up
tons of ink cartridges too; one cartridge per print run usually).

If you're around in March I'm thinking of putting on a night at
either the FreeButt or Volks and aswell as having good bands and djs
on, also having a zine/comic/small press table with a couple of local
ziners/comic artists. Let me know if you're interested.

That Spooky Sounds compilation sounds great, i'll have to check Wax
Factor and see if they have it. I love Fiona Smyth's work and Lorna
Millers, the other's names don't ring any bells though, especially
your mate David Shrigley.
I am of the kind of sceptical cynic mind as regards a lot of what is
perceived as 'art'. I like self-taught artists, but i also like what
i perceive as good artists who if not good technically make up for it
with style, concept, passion and ideas (aline-kominsky crumb and
early dori seda would be good examples of that to me).
I see a lot of the highbrow comics world just like the art world;
people use gimmicks often and certain 'artists' become darlings of
the month just because they're something different and often to me it
just seems like they're taking the piss or there work is week (But
then no doubt many people would criticise my work just as badly).
I can't say that's what your man Mr Shrigley is like 'cause I haven't
seen his work, but from how you describe it, i'm suspecting he might
fit into that scenario i just wrote.

As for that Lunch gig i went to, i don't think anyone there would
have said shit to her even if they wanted too...she was
electric...she actually tongue kissed this one little groupie guy who
she'd been teasing and humiliating earlier when he she asked did he
want to go backstage with her.
The guys there seemed mostly in awe, the wankers were abscent, and
the womwn there seemed very empowered and into it and there seemed to
be this really strange sexual energy in the air.
My girlfriend of that time had this greaser style punk guy next to
her who seemed to be in like some sort of snake charmers trance doing
all these pelvic and hip gyrations which she found entertaining.
There was an experimental grindy guitar/ minimalist electronic band
called silo on as a warm up before her and after was a good
alternative dj playing this weird noisy kinda psychedelic stuuf, one
track had Buroughs talking on it i remember.
It sounds like they were taking the piss at the gig you went too...I
fucking dispise Robbie 'monkey boy gurner' Williams.

I haven't heard much Diamanda Galas...but i did here an early tune of
hers on a compilation which was wild and slightly scary which ended
in her saying 'give me sodomy or give me death!'...i heard another
one that sounded quite satanic which i first listened to in the bath
turned up loud and i thought, oh shit, my neighbours are gonna think
i'm sacrificing cats in here or something. heh heh. No it was quite
powerful and ritualistic, but she made her voice go all low and dark
like a madman and then started babbling in tongues really fast like
she was possessed. I read an interview with her and it seems shes
very anti-church and anti-macho bullshit, and she talked about her
gay brother who died of Aids who she was very close too. I saw a
photo where she made herself look very masculine and was holding this
great big hunters knife. I definately wouldn't want to wind her up
the wrong way. I think it's safe to say she won't be doing a duet
with Robbie Williams anytime soon.


  -- In outsiderslookingin@..., Terri Affleck
<goregoreclambake@y...> wrote:
> happy new year to you too, ive been in brighton for three maybe
four years (enough time to spend three years doing a degree in
cultural and historical studies and the best part of another year
wondering why i bothered!)...i believe it was Muzzlemouth two i
picked up from davids comics ages ago and havent read yet (not from
lack of interest but because of my annoying habit of filling my room
with unread reading material) but i will this weekend...by the way
how does a person get that shop to sell their stuff? ive yet to
approach a single store in person.
> our new comics are all scanned into my PC now but my print
cartridge ran out after id printed up about half of mine so im stuck
until i find a way to make my mastercopies that doesn't cost about £1
a page!
> another thing i had lying around for ages that i didnt read
was 'spooky sounds of now', the Vesuvius comics anthology and CD comp
someone loaned me about a year ago (!). theres some superb work in
there by Fiona Smyth (someone thought my artwork was like hers, i
couldnt really see why with her colour stuff, although its cool, but
her b/w---wow, i WISH i was that good...), Marc Baines, Pakito
Bolino, Louise Diedrich (an amazing horror story, the realism and
creepiness in her pictures of girls is unlike anything ive seen in a
comic and i generally hate realistic looking characters in comics),
Gary Panter, Lorna Miller, John Bagnall, Jad and David Fair....
>  (word to the wise: theres a copy of this book/CD in the window of
wax factor right now. i dont want it its too much to spend on
something ive read already....)
> and theres 2 David Shrigley strips. Does anyone in this group know
anything about him? he seems to have done a lot of self-publishing
and has two different books in the chain bookstores right now. im
beginning to develop a fixation with being frustrated by how much i
dont undersand/dislike his work to the extent that i feel like
writing to him and asking him 'why?'. but maybe thats taking the
bait....
> one of these strips has no narrative the other does have a
sequential narrative but its not very nice. the books in the shops
arent comics but the same stuff remains: all of his drawings are
basically doodles and all his handwritten text is complete with
scratchings out. i cant find anything in his content that makes up
for this....
> i love most self-taught or non-artist artists, and i suppose his
stuff makes me think about why i love the ones i do and not him. most
of 'em stylise their lack-of-conventional-talent into an aesthetic,
and try to avoid scribblings out and so forth...mark beyer's work is
excessively neat....and on the messy and truly inept side i actually
even enjoyed Nick Zedd's ill-advised attempt at a comic...jesus what
a mess----but a spirit of sleaze, atmosphere and what-happens-in-this-
silly-man's-subconscious-mind shone thru.
> David Shrigley's 'bad' drawing isnt a special world of 'bad'
drawing it's ANYONE's 'bad' drawing. maybe that has a merit in itself
and maybe im just jealous that hes got real books out.
> his work has became the 'Irreversible' of the comics world for
me....im always looking for shocks and challenges and then along
comes something that i think is just repellent....something that
baffles me and i cant even imagine could be
cathartic....well 'repellent' is a bit strong and applies to that
film (irreversible) more than Shrigley but its the same kind of
feeling....and the fact that i can write about these things at
greater length than i would something i actually like....
> no male groupies at the lunch gig i went to, well, im sure a lot of
the guys were only there to look at her (and she still looks
amazing..), the odd thing would get shouted about her tits and shed
just tell them to shut the fuck up. thats to be expected but the fact
that she did all that lydia schtick without me doubting that it was
genuine...oh i was so happy!  again, the whole band were super
talented and totally blew away the live stuf she's recorded like
shotgun wedding live....gospel singer especially is just pale without
terry edwards...sadly at the garage they just played indie-disco
music and even robbie williams before and after she was on which was
ofensive and esp. when i heard that at her birmingham gig they went
to the effort to arrange for a no-wave DJ and screening of her films
befroe/after.
> my other favourite gig for different reasons was calvin johnson at
the marlborough theatre....im still irritated that i couldnt aford to
see diamanda galas....to impersonate  bad journalists i name her two
new albums early entrants for the albums of the decade....
>
>
>
>
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Hey it's me sean (shada_2001) in my other id. The photos section in
this group is full so i've created a second group so that members
have somewhere fresh to post new art. I'm also going to pick out all
the poetry posts when i have time and paste them in the new group too
so they all run consecutively for all who like outsider poems.
It would be fun to have this new group run slightly differently to
this one...I  was also thinking i could use a co-moderator(s) for the
new group...anyone interested?
Heres the link to it:
http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/outsiderslookingIn2/

Hi All,

Just a note to let you all know I'm new here.

I'm Jayson Jackson, an Author and Songwriter.

I'll take a trek around the site, have a look around before I post
anything else.

If anyone is interested, I do have a website, which I've added to
the links section of this group:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jayson.jackson

It's not fully finished, but samples of my work are uploaded there.

All the best,

Jayson

Welcome Jayson, good to hear from you. There are quite a few poems
and lyrics tucked away in the messages of this group.

I'll check out your site later....hope to hear more from you.
Cheers,
Sean

--- In outsiderslookingin@..., "Jayson Jackson"
<jayson.jackson@n...> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Just a note to let you all know I'm new here.
>
> I'm Jayson Jackson, an Author and Songwriter.
>
> I'll take a trek around the site, have a look around before I post
> anything else.
>
> If anyone is interested, I do have a website, which I've added to
> the links section of this group:
>
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jayson.jackson
>
> It's not fully finished, but samples of my work are uploaded there.
>
> All the best,
>
> Jayson

Blast from the past - august 1996; about a month before that air
plane exploded above LI sound; which is to say about a month
before I was admited into St Lukes psuch ward; stanslovsky
madness out side as special mixure is poored into LES and the
clubs so movies can be made and maximum number of fags
can get aids. Guilliani is about to attack; tatooed man will soon
be found dead. City is about to exploid, it's hotter than hell, and
your old budy aka BOB is painting away. LCD - do it!

believed to be hidden away in wash dc...

A
http://www.digikissed.com/images/head.jpg

ps: these days I hang out at:

http://www.artforum.com/talkback/


loads of fun if yer into art....

Sparkle on you crazy crystal...

--- In outsiderslookingin@..., "no"
<alienbarbiebaby@y...> wrote:
> Blast from the past - august 1996; about a month before that air
> plane exploded above LI sound; which is to say about a month
> before I was admited into St Lukes psuch ward; stanslovsky
> madness out side as special mixure is poored into LES and the
> clubs so movies can be made and maximum number of fags
> can get aids. Guilliani is about to attack; tatooed man will soon
> be found dead. City is about to exploid, it's hotter than hell, and
> your old budy aka BOB is painting away. LCD - do it!
>
> believed to be hidden away in wash dc...
>
> A
> http://www.digikissed.com/images/head.jpg
>
> ps: these days I hang out at:
>
> http://www.artforum.com/talkback/
>
>
> loads of fun if yer into art....