--- In outsiderslookingin@y..., missmogga <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> are they giving you a rough time like when \\Bart and Lisa tied up
> that killer babysitter?
No, although I didn't try robbing the place, so who knows? They were
good kids for the most part, just the laughter...

> i have been making fourtrack stuff over the weekend, i'm going to
put
> it in with the zine, so be warned!!!!!which i will send this week,
> hones guv.
Cool, I look forward to it. Recorded a jam with my friend and two
people he kows in Prince George. It is pretty bad for the most part,
but absolutely not without hope. My friend needs another musical
outlet, so I hooked him up with two musicians I met who were eager to
find another as well. It beats the damn "blues" band he's been
jamming with.
Anyhow, off to get my resume printed and some clothes drycleaned -
it's job hunting time.

Byrun

So, my hunt for the nationality of my Grandmother is over. She was
born at Ynys Uchaf, Ystradgynlais, Pontarawe, Brecon, Wales. This
means I am eligible for a UK Ancestory Visa. All I need to do is file
the paperwork and (asuming the application is accepted) find a job
there and I am out of this country. (that is to say Canada) Any
suggestions from our UK contingent on where to live, get a job, etc?

Byrun

--- In outsiderslookingin@y..., hypernode1 <no_reply@y...> wrote:

cool!
well in wales, cardiff has a good reputation, i used to live
their,lots of music , bands and arty types, its cosmo politan.
Also got to say BRIGHTON!
you would really like it here, if you like the sea, small crowds,
didges, music etc, diy

some parts of london, but expensive

Highlands in scotland for space!







  So, my hunt for the nationality of my Grandmother is over. She was
> born at Ynys Uchaf, Ystradgynlais, Pontarawe, Brecon, Wales. This
> means I am eligible for a UK Ancestory Visa. All I need to do is
file
> the paperwork and (asuming the application is accepted) find a job
> there and I am out of this country. (that is to say Canada) Any
> suggestions from our UK contingent on where to live, get a job, etc?
>
> Byrun

--- In outsiderslookingin@y..., missmogga <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> --- In outsiderslookingin@y..., hypernode1 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
>
> cool!
> well in wales, cardiff has a good reputation, i used to live
> their,lots of music , bands and arty types, its cosmo politan.
> Also got to say BRIGHTON!
> you would really like it here, if you like the sea, small crowds,
> didges, music etc, diy

I was never really considering London, too expensive as I have been
told. I have heard of Brighton, but know so little about it. As for
Wales, what about Swansea (close to ancestral stomping grounds in
Brecon) and how far a drive (in hours) is it from Cardiff? How far a
drive is Cardiff from London.
Being from the Pacific North West, I tend to see distamce a little
differently. All the major center's (not including Victoria) are a
fair distance away. Seattle is 3 hours south, Portland a little less
than a day, San Francisco two, LA two if you really push but usually
three. Calgary is 10 hours east and Edmonton is 15 hours north east.
Toronto and Montreal are three days east if you push it with a
minimum amount of stops - four if you want to relax a bit.
My concern about Wales is language. I had read in National Geographic
that learning Welsh is paramount to getting employment in that area,
how accurate is that? Not that I have a problem with the idea of
learning Welsh - what the hell, I have been trying to learn Icelandic
and Finnish on my own for some time - but I have a feeling it is as
hard to learn as it looks.

You don't have to speak Welsh to get employed in south Wales, but the
north is tight, things like s4c..tv channel are welsh speaking, but
not everyone in wales speaks welsh
so, the best thing is to take some lessons
swansea i think i remember is an hour from  cardyydd, its ok, i have
never really lived there, abervagenny in West wales is really lovely
newage place.
i miss cardydd
---




In outsiderslookingin@y..., hypernode1 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> --- In outsiderslookingin@y..., missmogga <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > --- In outsiderslookingin@y..., hypernode1 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> >
> > cool!
> > well in wales, cardiff has a good reputation, i used to live
> > their,lots of music , bands and arty types, its cosmo politan.
> > Also got to say BRIGHTON!
> > you would really like it here, if you like the sea, small crowds,
> > didges, music etc, diy
>
> I was never really considering London, too expensive as I have been
> told. I have heard of Brighton, but know so little about it. As for
> Wales, what about Swansea (close to ancestral stomping grounds in
> Brecon) and how far a drive (in hours) is it from Cardiff? How far
a
> drive is Cardiff from London.
> Being from the Pacific North West, I tend to see distamce a little
> differently. All the major center's (not including Victoria) are a
> fair distance away. Seattle is 3 hours south, Portland a little
less
> than a day, San Francisco two, LA two if you really push but
usually
> three. Calgary is 10 hours east and Edmonton is 15 hours north
east.
> Toronto and Montreal are three days east if you push it with a
> minimum amount of stops - four if you want to relax a bit.
> My concern about Wales is language. I had read in National
Geographic
> that learning Welsh is paramount to getting employment in that
area,
> how accurate is that? Not that I have a problem with the idea of
> learning Welsh - what the hell, I have been trying to learn
Icelandic
> and Finnish on my own for some time - but I have a feeling it is as
> hard to learn as it looks.

Them Welsh spell Cardiff funny don't they?

--- In outsiderslookingin@y..., missmogga <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> You don't have to speak Welsh to get employed in south Wales, but
the
> north is tight, things like s4c..tv channel are welsh speaking, but
> not everyone in wales speaks welsh
> so, the best thing is to take some lessons
> swansea i think i remember is an hour from  cardyydd, its ok, i
have
> never really lived there, abervagenny in West wales is really
lovely
> newage place.
> i miss cardydd
> ---
>
>
>
>
> In outsiderslookingin@y..., hypernode1 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > --- In outsiderslookingin@y..., missmogga <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > --- In outsiderslookingin@y..., hypernode1 <no_reply@y...>
wrote:
> > >
> > > cool!
> > > well in wales, cardiff has a good reputation, i used to live
> > > their,lots of music , bands and arty types, its cosmo politan.
> > > Also got to say BRIGHTON!
> > > you would really like it here, if you like the sea, small
crowds,
> > > didges, music etc, diy
> >
> > I was never really considering London, too expensive as I have
been
> > told. I have heard of Brighton, but know so little about it. As
for
> > Wales, what about Swansea (close to ancestral stomping grounds in
> > Brecon) and how far a drive (in hours) is it from Cardiff? How
far
> a
> > drive is Cardiff from London.
> > Being from the Pacific North West, I tend to see distamce a
little
> > differently. All the major center's (not including Victoria) are
a
> > fair distance away. Seattle is 3 hours south, Portland a little
> less
> > than a day, San Francisco two, LA two if you really push but
> usually
> > three. Calgary is 10 hours east and Edmonton is 15 hours north
> east.
> > Toronto and Montreal are three days east if you push it with a
> > minimum amount of stops - four if you want to relax a bit.
> > My concern about Wales is language. I had read in National
> Geographic
> > that learning Welsh is paramount to getting employment in that
> area,
> > how accurate is that? Not that I have a problem with the idea of
> > learning Welsh - what the hell, I have been trying to learn
> Icelandic
> > and Finnish on my own for some time - but I have a feeling it is
as
> > hard to learn as it looks.

you just wanting to stay in Wales & work Byrun, or elsewhere in the
uk too? Here in Brighton is nice, but the best time to get jobs is in
late spring early summer for the seaside tourist season. Cornwall is
supposed to be great too. Bristol has a great music scene (not too
far from Wales too).  I want to check Cardiff too
>
>
> In outsiderslookingin@y..., hypernode1 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > --- In outsiderslookingin@y..., missmogga <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > > --- In outsiderslookingin@y..., hypernode1 <no_reply@y...>
wrote:
> > >
> > > cool!
> > > well in wales, cardiff has a good reputation, i used to live
> > > their,lots of music , bands and arty types, its cosmo politan.
> > > Also got to say BRIGHTON!
> > > you would really like it here, if you like the sea, small
crowds,
> > > didges, music etc, diy
> >
> > I was never really considering London, too expensive as I have
been
> > told. I have heard of Brighton, but know so little about it. As
for
> > Wales, what about Swansea (close to ancestral stomping grounds in
> > Brecon) and how far a drive (in hours) is it from Cardiff? How
far
> a
> > drive is Cardiff from London.
> > Being from the Pacific North West, I tend to see distamce a
little
> > differently. All the major center's (not including Victoria) are
a
> > fair distance away. Seattle is 3 hours south, Portland a little
> less
> > than a day, San Francisco two, LA two if you really push but
> usually
> > three. Calgary is 10 hours east and Edmonton is 15 hours north
> east.
> > Toronto and Montreal are three days east if you push it with a
> > minimum amount of stops - four if you want to relax a bit.
> > My concern about Wales is language. I had read in National
> Geographic
> > that learning Welsh is paramount to getting employment in that
> area,
> > how accurate is that? Not that I have a problem with the idea of
> > learning Welsh - what the hell, I have been trying to learn
> Icelandic
> > and Finnish on my own for some time - but I have a feeling it is
as
> > hard to learn as it looks.

--- In outsiderslookingin@y..., shada_2001 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> you just wanting to stay in Wales & work Byrun, or elsewhere in the
> uk too?

I'm open to any place pretty much, but I would prefer being near the
open water. (the Channel counts in that department) It was the one
thing I missed most in Montreal, the ocean. The specific interest in
Wales is just due to the fact that that is where my Grandmother is
from and her parents before her. (her mother's maiden name is Walsh -
is that Welsh or Irish in origin?)My maternal Gandfather's family
came from Bournemouth/Southampton and York (names Crowe and Drew), so
I am interested in checking those palces out for the sake of history.
My Dad's family, if you were wondering, is Austrian, Belarussian and
Norwegian. (but the Norwegian goes back about four generations)

>Here in Brighton is nice, but the best time to get jobs is in
> late spring early summer for the seaside tourist season. Cornwall
> is  supposed to be great too. Bristol has a great music scene (not
> too far from Wales too).

Ah, just checking Yahoo maps to get a specific tack on Brighton's
location... I new it was south but just couldn't pinpoint it in my
head. Yeah, I could be into Brighton, the location is definately
ideal. Of course, if they deny me the Visa this is all moot. I need
to secure a job before applying and move over with $4000.00 - $5,000
Cdn ( that's £1,652.65 - £2,065.81) and I am not sure if that will be
enough to appease immigration, or how far that will go in the UK.
   But thank you, this helps me focus my objective and will help me to
work out a plan. Either Brighton, Bristol, or Cardiff(ydd).

Hey Sean, does the Green Knight (a la Sir Gawaine and...) have any
basis in the Green Man?

I believe it does. I read a story somewhere that implied that the
green knight was an aspect of the green man. I'm ashamed to say i;'ve
never read Sir Gawain and the Green Knight story, but in this other
story i read (the Knights of Pendragon) it made the connection that
after Sir Gawain fought the Green Knight he realised that the green
Knight represented the champion of nature. I'm not sure how accurate
this interpretation is not having read the original tale.  I keep
meaning too but have never gotten around to it.

  --- In outsiderslookingin@y..., hypernode1 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Hey Sean, does the Green Knight (a la Sir Gawaine and...) have any
> basis in the Green Man?

--- In outsiderslookingin@y..., shada_2001 <no_reply@y...> wrote:

Do you mean the comic with the character of Dai Thomas from Captain
Britain and Excalibur? (Knights of Pendragon) I read a couple of
issues that a friend had back in, um, 1988 (?) and they seemed
interesting, definitely not a North American comic. I seem to
remember that someone gets vaccum packed and irradiated and another
guy gets chopped into bits and put into boxes by a malignant
scarecrow. I also remember the anti- whaling ads on the back cover
about the Grindadrįp in the Faeroe Islands.
BTW, I have been doing more background into my family roots. Seems
the English side came from Southhampton, numerous places in the
northeastern corner of Norfolk, and from Middlesex. It amazes me how
distored and skewed a families knowledge about itself can become. I
had been told that the English side of the family had been primarily
from Bournemouth/Dorset region and York.
How are your senses of family history? I mean those of you still
living in the country where your family has been for centuries. Do
you know your history - is it keener having grown up in it? I'm
second and third generation Canadian (Western Canadian specifically),
and being from a young city in a young province in a country... well
it can be hard to have any sense of connection or "national/local
historical identity".

Yeah, you were spot on about the Knights of Pendragon comic...it
really inspired me at the time. There were a plethera of references
to the Arthurian legend and also  to various real-life
ecological/conservationist matters. The scarecrow was some kind of
nature getting it's own back type of thing i think. There was an even
darker force in the comic called 'the bane'. I remmember it possessed
this woman who was a head of a multi-national corporation who were
already doing lots of environmental damage. Dai Thomas ended up being
an reincarnation of King Arthur i think, there were these good scenes
where the charcters would kind of flashback to arthurian characters.
I read them all but the final issue of that first series; never did
find the final one.

My senses of family history are not very good at all. I was born and
grew up in the North East of England. All my grandparents lived
there. My Gran on my Dad's side was Irish, her mother (great gran
Rooney) came over from Ireland when she was young. I think they were
originally from County Cork, but i'm not sure whereabouts. I'll have
to ask my Dad...he's went over to Ireland when he was a boy with his
Gran...there's this really good photo of him, my great gran, a black
guy and a gypsy looking woman all sat on the back of this horse and
cart being taken to town i think. I always mean to find out more from
my Dad but never get around to it (my grandparents are dead now & my
Dad lives near Ottawa, Ontario).
As for my Mam's side of the family my Great-Grandad Turnbull (my
Gran's dad) was Scottish and loved his whisky that's about all i
know. I have no idea where in Scotland he was born.

All i know about my Grandad's dad (great Grandad Peel) was a story
about how he once sneaked into the fridge one night and opened and
drank some of what he thought was a bottle of wine but was in fact a
urine sample put in there by his missus which was due to go to the
doctors! My mam tells me that on his side of the family going back to
my great, great, great grandmother i think, we have Spanish gypsy
blood. There maybe links to gypsies on the Rooney's side of the
family too, but that's uncertain.


I have more knowledge of where i was born ie; the industrial town of
Middlesbrough, the surrounding Iron Ore mines of the Cleveland hills
and Coal Mines of North Yorkshire, plus the village where i lived
being an old Norman town which has Robert De Brus's castle there. I
was told lots of old stories from my Gran & Grandad too (on my Mam's
side) going back to their childhood. But hardly anything passed on
from before then.  I want to find out a lot more about my ancestory
too, i'm going to make time for that.  How did you retrace your
families roots Byrun?



  --- In outsiderslookingin@y..., hypernode1 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> --- In outsiderslookingin@y..., shada_2001 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
>
> Do you mean the comic with the character of Dai Thomas from Captain
> Britain and Excalibur? (Knights of Pendragon) I read a couple of
> issues that a friend had back in, um, 1988 (?) and they seemed
> interesting, definitely not a North American comic. I seem to
> remember that someone gets vaccum packed and irradiated and another
> guy gets chopped into bits and put into boxes by a malignant
> scarecrow. I also remember the anti- whaling ads on the back cover
> about the Grindadrįp in the Faeroe Islands.
> BTW, I have been doing more background into my family roots. Seems
> the English side came from Southhampton, numerous places in the
> northeastern corner of Norfolk, and from Middlesex. It amazes me
how
> distored and skewed a families knowledge about itself can become. I
> had been told that the English side of the family had been
primarily
> from Bournemouth/Dorset region and York.
> How are your senses of family history? I mean those of you still
> living in the country where your family has been for centuries. Do
> you know your history - is it keener having grown up in it? I'm
> second and third generation Canadian (Western Canadian
specifically),
> and being from a young city in a young province in a country...
well
> it can be hard to have any sense of connection or "national/local
> historical identity".

--- In outsiderslookingin@y..., shada_2001 <no_reply@y...> wrote:

> my
> Dad lives near Ottawa, Ontario).

Seat of government and the most Anglo place on Earth. There were a
lot of ex-Ottawans living in Montreal, like my last roommate. They
were all quite uptight compared to your average Montrealer. Supposed
to be a few great venues in Ottawa. Had I returned to Montreal I
would have been playing a show there this week.

> All i know about my Grandad's dad (great Grandad Peel) was a story
> about how he once sneaked into the fridge one night and opened and
> drank some of what he thought was a bottle of wine but was in fact
a urine sample put in there by his missus which was due to go to the
> doctors!

Ah! That's gross! That's almost as bad as my Dad's bestfriend's
Father-In-Law who decided that roadkill was a waste of good meat, so
he brought a badger he picked up off the roadside for diner.

> I want to find out a lot more about my ancestory
> too, i'm going to make time for that.  How did you retrace your
> families roots Byrun?

    I can't take the credit for that. I was a having an hell of a time
tracking down my Grandmother's roots because I was barking up the
wrong tree. I was about to contact the Mormons (*Wince and Shudder*)
to use their extensive genealogical resources when I hit a site that
lists surname searches.
    I decided to see if anyone was looking for Mary "Mollie" Corcoran
who died in the Kootneys of BC. Someone was, my long lost Aunt
Eleanor, whom I hadn't seen since 1980. No one had heard from her in
quite some time. Turns out she was trying to track me down (she had
heard a false rumour that my Mum had died) as well. She is going to
go over how to the search with me sometime soon I hope, but she had
acquirred most of the information herself.
    Some of the information I did acquire on my own was through Vital
Statistics, British Columbia. I was able to dig up information on my
English ancestors BC. It is hard to get information from Ireland past
a certain point due a fire that destroyed Birth/Death records around
1870 I believe. Baptism records and church marriage records are
needed to go any further in Ireland. (going to church has its
benefits after all)
    Information for the English side came through birth/death/marriage
records as well as British Cenus data. Through the census of 1851 I
was able to discover that James Crowe (b.1797) was married to Ann
Crowe. They were farmer's and worked as male (sic) carriers and
earthen ware dealers. They had three sons, one married daughter who
was a mother herself at age 21. They had a man in their house hold of
undetermined relationship named Peter Wilson. Wilson was a Yeoman -
what that is I have yet to determine. They also had a servant named
Betsy Lambert.
    Ann Crowe's maiden name has yet to be found. I would wager,
however, that it is Plumbley as my direct ancestor was her son Alfred
Thomas Plumbley Crowe. Al was a grocer and married Sarah Lacey, whose
father was a farmer in North Walsham. They were a bit hoitey toitey
it would seem, in that they had a governess (Harriet Rowland), a
dairy maid (Mary Ann Gray) and (this is creepy) a 14 year old nurse
maid named Sabina Spooner.Al and Sarah were married in 1864 in either
Hossey or Tunbridge, Norfolk.
    A good place to start is with your Mam and Dad. I should have
started there to begin with, since I need to prove my Mother's
identity in addition to my Grandmother's to show the line of descent
in order to qualify for the UK Ancestory visa. I need my Mum's long
form bith certificate (showing names and places of origin for her
parents), her marriage certificate (stating names of parents...) and
passport or goverment id since she has yet to shuffle off the mortal
coil. I have to show the same things for my Grandmother, but with a
death certificate replacing her id.
     Start with that and you should be able to get pretty far. My ex's
father traced her family back to the 1200's. They are Dutch, with
blood ties to the French Aristocracy - pre 1400 I think. There you
are, good luck.

i'm researching carnies, fairground art, freakshows and 50's
burlesque dancers like Tempest storm, does anyone have any pics they
could download?
or info
also check out this site especially the 50's ads and comic book cover
section..did you know there was a comic called the all negro comic?
http://www.joebates.com/joesfreakshow/banners1.htm

anyway i want to start making this sort of art, it feels close to my
roots and sense of humour, so let me have some stuff
also if you have anything to put in my new zine then please
email/posty me

> Seat of government and the most Anglo place on Earth. There were a
> lot of ex-Ottawans living in Montreal, like my last roommate. They
> were all quite uptight compared to your average Montrealer.

During my three week trip to Canada a few years back, i spent quite a
bit of time in Ottawa. It was my least favourite of the places i
stayed (although my Dad's girlfriend's family were very nice to me).
Dora is Italian Canadian and encourages her kids to speak as much
French as English-i think she might have lived in Quebec province
sometime. There was nice countryside around Orleans where i stayed,
but it was kinda a quiet place where people settled down to have
families in the suburbs. Ottawa seemed mainly to consist of large old
buildings most of which were governmental or town halls etc....i
didn't see any of the good venues unfortunately; mainly generic shops
and restaurants.

I stayed in Montreal one night over two days and loved the atmosphere
there. I would love to go back there and spend more time. There was
this huge fireworks thing going on while i was there. The town seemed
to be coming alive more nearer midnight.
I liked Toronto too, stayed there a week with good company...went
some nice venues.


> Ah! That's gross! That's almost as bad as my Dad's bestfriend's
> Father-In-Law who decided that roadkill was a waste of good meat,
so
> he brought a badger he picked up off the roadside for diner.

MMM! Yummy, roadkill badger.
wager,
>

  Wilson was a Yeoman -
> what that is I have yet to determine.

By definition, a yeoman is someone who owns and farms a small
estate/area of land.

>     Start with that and you should be able to get pretty far. My
ex's father traced her family back to the 1200's. They are Dutch,
with
> blood ties to the French Aristocracy - pre 1400 I think. There you
> are, good luck.

I find it all fascinating, i definately want to find out more...I'd
particularly like to know more about my great grandparents and great,
great grandparents because i'm sure there will still be a lot of info
about who they were and what they were like passed down to living
relatives.

Very cool, i liked the outer limits style thing going on and
the '50's photos with captions.   This site is big i'll have to
investigate further.

--- In outsiderslookingin@y..., missmogga <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> i'm researching carnies, fairground art, freakshows and 50's
> burlesque dancers like Tempest storm, does anyone have any pics
they
> could download?
> or info
> also check out this site especially the 50's ads and comic book
cover
> section..did you know there was a comic called the all negro comic?
> http://www.joebates.com/joesfreakshow/banners1.htm
>
> anyway i want to start making this sort of art, it feels close to
my
> roots and sense of humour, so let me have some stuff
> also if you have anything to put in my new zine then please
> email/posty me

--- In outsiderslookingin@y..., missmogga <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> i'm researching carnies, fairground art, freakshows and 50's
> burlesque dancers like Tempest storm, ..did you know there was a
comic called the all negro comic?
> http://www.joebates.com/joesfreakshow/banners1.htm

Did you see the film "Ghost World"? If not, then do. That is all I
will say until you have.

---you may speak further cos i have seen and really enjoyed it and
bought the comic book, and want the video!!!!!!
>
> Did you see the film "Ghost World"? If not, then do. That is all I
> will say until you have.

--- In outsiderslookingin@y..., missmogga <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> ---you may speak further cos i have seen and really enjoyed it and
> bought the comic book, and want the video!!!!!!

Same. I read my friends copies back in Monrtreal. I wasn't
interested, only being interested in Lone Wolf and Cub at the time,
but she was pretty adamant. I enjoyed them. I was wondering how it
would translate as a film and was not disappointed.
   I was just thinking about the whole Cook's/Coon's Chicken part of
the film. There was an American chain restaurant in Canada that
dissapeared in the 70's some time, it was called Sambo's. It's logo,
if I remember correctly, was a little Southern style black boy with
huge lips - not unlike the Warner Brother's character Inky. Sambo's
dissapeared for obvious reasons, but what surprises me is how long it
lasted.
    I was watching a collection of banned Warner Brothers cartoons
(which includes the WWII anti-Nazi Germany ones, least they offend an
American trading partner) and the Inky cartoons were among those. It
is weird watching them now. When I was six my next door neighbour and
best friend was Black and we used to watch that cartoon with his
older brothers. No one thought twice about the rascist subtext, we
all enjoyed it. But you gain contexts and references and then things
change. I'd like to watch the cartoon with Larry again and see what
his feelings on it are now.
   I still enjoy the cartoons, despite the stereotyping, but wonder if
I should? The music for Inky and the Mynah Bird is brilliantly cued
to the action, and it is funny - and yet, and yet.
   Anyhow, this all the stuff that seeing Ghost World has done for me.

---i suppose its with what attitude you watch em, do you still find
em funny, or does it change it, did you find the characters funny for
their stereotypes??
i find those 1920s cartoons really sinister, they give me the creeps,
the move everything moves is really odd in itself and those strange
songs, makes me think of David Lynches Eraser head.
don't kow why.

  >
> Same. I read my friends copies back in Monrtreal. I wasn't
> interested, only being interested in Lone Wolf and Cub at the time,
> but she was pretty adamant. I enjoyed them. I was wondering how it
> would translate as a film and was not disappointed.
>   I was just thinking about the whole Cook's/Coon's Chicken part of
> the film. There was an American chain restaurant in Canada that
> dissapeared in the 70's some time, it was called Sambo's. It's
logo,
> if I remember correctly, was a little Southern style black boy with
> huge lips - not unlike the Warner Brother's character Inky. Sambo's
> dissapeared for obvious reasons, but what surprises me is how long
it
> lasted.
>    I was watching a collection of banned Warner Brothers cartoons
> (which includes the WWII anti-Nazi Germany ones, least they offend
an
> American trading partner) and the Inky cartoons were among those.
It
> is weird watching them now. When I was six my next door neighbour
and
> best friend was Black and we used to watch that cartoon with his
> older brothers. No one thought twice about the rascist subtext, we
> all enjoyed it. But you gain contexts and references and then
things
> change. I'd like to watch the cartoon with Larry again and see what
> his feelings on it are now.
>   I still enjoy the cartoons, despite the stereotyping, but wonder
if
> I should? The music for Inky and the Mynah Bird is brilliantly cued
> to the action, and it is funny - and yet, and yet.
>   Anyhow, this all the stuff that seeing Ghost World has done for
me.

It isn't the stereotype of Inky that I laugh at. I never saw the huge
lips as something funny. As for the bone in his hair, I had just
assumed that he was a prehistoric cave boy who was black. I suppose
you're right, I can maintain the original context of my enjoyment.
As for the pin-ups part of your post all that I ask is no Betty Page!
I am so tired of Betty Page and all the women I know (and don't know)
that are trying to look like Betty Page. (some of them heavily
tattooed clones, but nonetheless...)

oh dear! well ignore the inside cover of my next zine111111111!
i don't look like her, i've been looking for all sorts of stuff,
bettie is the most photographed.-





-- In outsiderslookingin@y..., hypernode1 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> It isn't the stereotype of Inky that I laugh at. I never saw the
huge
> lips as something funny. As for the bone in his hair, I had just
> assumed that he was a prehistoric cave boy who was black. I suppose
> you're right, I can maintain the original context of my enjoyment.
> As for the pin-ups part of your post all that I ask is no Betty
Page!
> I am so tired of Betty Page and all the women I know (and don't
know)
> that are trying to look like Betty Page. (some of them heavily
> tattooed clones, but nonetheless...)

...or have we lost a few members? I seem to remember the club being
at 45 a while back.

I was replying to this post about 5 days ago, it was a lengthy one
too, and just as i was about to post it, my internet connection cut
me off and it was lost >:-0 .
I know that i mentioned Ghostworld and that i thought it was good
that the film made the points about those racist eateries in the not
too distant past. (I wonder how many chains of restaurants exist
still that used to use such imagery but now have gone respectable).
I also commented on the other good point made in the film; when Enid
showed the artwork from 'Coon's chicken', the people viewing it were
really offended, not so much about who used it and the context, but
rather that they had to deal with seeing it...what did they do?
Attacked the artist who was trying to make a point and bring
something to light - political corectness gone mad.  I notice this
type of behaviour a lot, people in denial not wanting to deal with
shit that's going on or has been going on. When someone sticks their
neck out and brings it to light, they get attacked because it does
not portray some safe little Disney smily face neo-liberal feel good
factor, people feel threatened or (heaven forbid) have to deal with
serious or negative stuff (hey there's always prozac)....Ah well.

I mentioned other stuff about the seriously racist stereotypes on tv
in Britain up until the '80's too, and how i saw Jar Jar Binks in
Star Wars very similar to those old 40's "Amos & Andy" style
characters but i can't be arsed going into that now.


.--- In outsiderslookingin@y..., hypernode1 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> --- In outsiderslookingin@y..., missmogga <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > ---you may speak further cos i have seen and really enjoyed it
and
> > bought the comic book, and want the video!!!!!!
>
> Same. I read my friends copies back in Monrtreal. I wasn't
> interested, only being interested in Lone Wolf and Cub at the time,
> but she was pretty adamant. I enjoyed them. I was wondering how it
> would translate as a film and was not disappointed.
>   I was just thinking about the whole Cook's/Coon's Chicken part of
> the film. There was an American chain restaurant in Canada that
> dissapeared in the 70's some time, it was called Sambo's. It's
logo,
> if I remember correctly, was a little Southern style black boy with
> huge lips - not unlike the Warner Brother's character Inky. Sambo's
> dissapeared for obvious reasons, but what surprises me is how long
it
> lasted.
>    I was watching a collection of banned Warner Brothers cartoons
> (which includes the WWII anti-Nazi Germany ones, least they offend
an
> American trading partner) and the Inky cartoons were among those.
It
> is weird watching them now. When I was six my next door neighbour
and
> best friend was Black and we used to watch that cartoon with his
> older brothers. No one thought twice about the rascist subtext, we
> all enjoyed it. But you gain contexts and references and then
things
> change. I'd like to watch the cartoon with Larry again and see what
> his feelings on it are now.
>   I still enjoy the cartoons, despite the stereotyping, but wonder
if
> I should? The music for Inky and the Mynah Bird is brilliantly cued
> to the action, and it is funny - and yet, and yet.
>   Anyhow, this all the stuff that seeing Ghost World has done for
me.

Yeah i've noticed this too. I've also noticed it's basically just me
you and Mogs posting now...I guess part of it has to do with my
decreased input to the club, but i put more of that input into my
zines and comics now...i was hoping other people would take the
iniative but i don't see that happening that much right now (apart
fom you and Mogs). As Monie Love once sang, "It's a Shay-ay-ame".
I still haven't posted those bloody pictures either...gah!

--- In outsiderslookingin@y..., hypernode1 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> ...or have we lost a few members? I seem to remember the club being
> at 45 a while back.

i conform my request to unsubscribe


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> When someone sticks their
> neck out and brings it to light, they get attacked because it does
> not portray some safe little Disney smily face neo-liberal feel
good
> factor, people feel threatened or (heaven forbid) have to deal with
> serious or negative stuff (hey there's always prozac)....Ah well.

Ah Disney... Ever seen the original cut of "The Three Little Pigs"?
My friend has the DVD of old Disney cartoons and the wolf dresses up
at the third house as vagrant Hasidic door-to-door peddler. Yes its
fun for the whole family at Disney. They got film critic Leonard
Maltin to do the commentary so I suppose that's why Disney let it out
of the vaults.
As for Star Wars, Lucas has a problem not dealing in generalities:
ice planet, swamp planet, dessert - er, ah.. desert planet, city
planet, forest moon. I mean I am all for aliens with non-
American/English accents, (We Canadians, along with the Australians,
New Zealanders, Welsh, Irish, and Scottish have been seriously
underrepresented in the anglophone accent department for alien
species) but the Space Asians, and patois-gibbering flipper beast
were pretty hard to swallow. That and the democratically elected
monarch.
This leads into racial representation. There have discussions
recently about the under representation of Indo-Canadians and other
minorities in Canadian programming. The question I have is how do you
tackle this issue without falling into reverse discrimination or
tokenism?

--- In outsiderslookingin@y..., "peter dierinck" <pdier@p...> wrote:
>
but why?

i conform my request to unsubscribe
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

dum dum dum, another one bites the dust....sorry to see you go Peter.

--- In outsiderslookingin@y..., "peter dierinck" <pdier@p...> wrote:
> i conform my request to unsubscribe
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>>I mean I am all for aliens with non-American/English accents, (We
Canadians, along with the Australians, New Zealanders, Welsh,
Irish,and Scottish have been seriously underrepresented in the
anglophone accent department for alien species)<<

I think at least one Welsh jedi would have been cool; maybe he could
be called Bach Cymru or something. Of all the Celts, i feel as though
the Welsh are the least represented. Don't see much of New Zealanders
on English speaking film either.

>>There have been discussions recently about the under representation
of Indo-Canadians and other minorities in Canadian programming. The
question I have is how do you
tackle this issue without falling into reverse discrimination or
tokenism?<<


The best way i can think of is to allow more 'minority' programme
makers to represent themselves for all to see. I'm sure there's
plenty of talented folk who would love to have their say and portray
things the way they'd like to. If it meant having to ditch a never-
ending sitcom of 'Friends' or'frasier' (yes we get them here too), a
sports programme or some stupid fekkin gameshow i could live with
that reverse discrimination ;-D.
After all there's always those sports and soap/re-run satellite/cable
channels for all those who would miss these enlightening mainstays of
Western culture (perfect examples of my loathing; yuppy-coms like
Ally McSqueal and the happily defunct and devoid-o-funk "LA Law").
Heh, heh, heh.

The problem is the almighty corporate stations don't like too much of
that fair representation thing now do they...unless it's when they
choose to do a token 'season' (which uually means two weeks of two
programmes per evening) of some token minority culture (whether it be
racial/sexual or lifestyle). Right now we've just had the "Jamaican
summer" on BBC 2 and "Indian Summer" on Channel 4...to be fair there
was some decent stuff on though of what i saw, but not exactly enough
to get a broad view of a culture (and it's sub cultures) and
understand the roots of many of the immigrants and their decendants
living on these shores (We don't even have programmes going much into
our Celtic heritages, let alone any others). BBC 2 are now having
a "What's Your Problem?" 'season' which is being geared up as a punk-
esque attitude fest of Disabled people's documentaries and films.

I just can't see that whilst the corporations and posh executives run
the mainstream media, we'll ever get fair and accurate
representations of people who live outside of consumerist god-fearin'
culture.
Can't remember the last time i saw a 'kurd' season
or "gypsy/traveller" season or "anti-globalsim" season...all i see on
the TV at the moment is Dubya doing a good Elmer Fudd impression
again.."It's Wabbit season" and he's got his shotgun pointed at Iraq
this time.
a guy fom New York tells me that the corporations are buying up all
the free public access Cable stations in America now...the uk  won't
even allow them here (along with 'illegal' DIY radio).

I guess Media Hijackers and Culture Jammers are also enemies of the
state and terrorists too...they'll be bombing college radio stations
next.

Okay i'm being over dramatic.





--- In outsiderslookingin@y..., hypernode1 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > When someone sticks their
> > neck out and brings it to light, they get attacked because it
does
> > not portray some safe little Disney smily face neo-liberal feel
> good
> > factor, people feel threatened or (heaven forbid) have to deal
with
> > serious or negative stuff (hey there's always prozac)....Ah well.
>
> Ah Disney... Ever seen the original cut of "The Three Little Pigs"?
> My friend has the DVD of old Disney cartoons and the wolf dresses
up
> at the third house as vagrant Hasidic door-to-door peddler. Yes its
> fun for the whole family at Disney. They got film critic Leonard
> Maltin to do the commentary so I suppose that's why Disney let it
out
> of the vaults.
> As for Star Wars, Lucas has a problem not dealing in generalities:
> ice planet, swamp planet, dessert - er, ah.. desert planet, city
> planet, forest moon. I mean I am all for aliens with non-
> American/English accents, (We Canadians, along with the
Australians,
> New Zealanders, Welsh, Irish, and Scottish have been seriously
> underrepresented in the anglophone accent department for alien
> species) but the Space Asians, and patois-gibbering flipper beast
> were pretty hard to swallow. That and the democratically elected
> monarch.
> This leads into racial representation. There have discussions
> recently about the under representation of Indo-Canadians and other
> minorities in Canadian programming. The question I have is how do
you
> tackle this issue without falling into reverse discrimination or
> tokenism?