Would you happen to have any contact info for this PTC mining
committee? Address to send a data slate, subspace beacon #, vox
frequency? I need to get this cleared up.

Due to the weapons and armor advances some sources have considered
that a nuclear weapon would be considered a moderate strength weapon.

Someone also said something about Dok or Dekok fluff involving Atomic
decimation or something.

And don't forget, These are the guys who still bash eachother to death
with rifle buts when they have things like plasma guns, power armor,
laser lances and starships.

However I suppose that even though they still exist, they remain
unsporting and thus 'unPraetorian'. Then again, so is the use of
camouflage and guerrilla warfare.

--- In praetorian-IG@..., "Rory Lowings" <rozc19@...> wrote:
>
> Oh, I'm sure that Praetorians would be cool with power generation.
However,
> it doesn't matter how powerful thermonuclear weapons are, they are still
> obsolete. They are clumsy, cause an unnecessary amount of damage,
and are
> one-use.
>
> To reiterate - precision strikes with orbital munitions, mass
destruction
> with Planet Killer and Virus Bombs. Nukes: unnecessary.
>
> If you must use radiation to generate your power, make sure you clear it
> with the PTC Mining committee. They're still keen for us to use coal.
>
> 2008/12/18 ben.pilloud <ben.pilloud@...>
>
> > No nukes? NO uranium? But I likea the uranium! This is going to throw
> > off my entire universe.
> >
> > From playing nuke zone I learned laserbeam satellites are useful,
> > multiple use and more accurate than nukes. But nukes could do quite a
> > bit more damage. I suppose lazer technology might have improved over
> > 38000 years, not to mention I've gotten some attention from
> > Inquisition players about my nuke knowledge.
> >
> > I know that terra's uranium only has double digest left on it's half
> > life now (thus the need for plutonium and then fusion reactors,),
> > which is why I had to go somewhere that might have somehow still had
> > it in 40k. Then again I suppose it doesn't work like that.
> >
> > Dough, I just realized I got fusion and fission confused again. I just
> > refreshed my memory a bit, Uranium is used for fission reactions,
> > Aquila Landers have fusion cores in them for fuel purposes. And as a
> > bonus/ side effect it still works like a small nuke if you blow it up
> > like at the the battle for Maccragge.
> >
> > Would Praetoria find using Fusion Reactors for power generation
> > acceptable? It would still be profitable, very popular with the hive
> > worlds...
> >
> > Now all I need is an mineable ore with which to replace uranium!
> >
> > Lets see so for a D-T fuel cycle ya need your Deuterium and some
> > Tritium, which sometimes needs to be bred from Lithium. Additionally,
> > some new material/ containment device would need to be developed/
> > discovered in order for the fusion reaction to be contained.
> >
> > Deuterium:
> > Almost exactly the same as hydrogen. It occurs naturally alone as a
> > gas, but more commonly bonds with regular hydrogen to form a gas
> > called hydrogen deuteride, abundant in atmospheres of gas giants.
> > It can replace the normal hydrogen in water molecules to form heavy
> > water, which is mildly toxic.
> >
> > Tritium:
> > Also occurs naturally, due to cosmic rays interacting with atmospheric
> > gases. Because of tritium's relatively short half-life, however,
> > tritium produced in this manner does not accumulate over geological
> > timescales, and its natural abundance is negligible. Can also be
> > formed by:
> > -lithium-6 and/or 7,
> > -a fission reaction,
> > -in heavy water-moderated reactors when deuterium captures a neutron.
> > This reaction has a very small cross section (which is why heavy water
> > is such a good neutron moderator) and relatively little tritium is
> > produced; nevertheless, cleaning tritium from the moderator may be
> > desirable after several years to reduce the risk of escape to the
> > environment. Ontario Power Generation's Tritium Removal Facility can
> > process up to 2.5 thousand tonnes (2,500 Mg) of heavy water a year,
> > producing about 2.5 kg of tritium,
> > It can bond with water, is radioactive, and is harmful if inhaled,
> > ingested, or absorbed through the skin. Also makes things glow in the
> > dark, is used in sights for weapons.
> >
> > Lithium-6 and Lithium-7
> > Natural lithium contains about 7.5 percent lithium-6. Lithium 7 is one
> > of the primordial isotopes, produced in Big Bang nucleosynthesis (a
> > small amount of 6Li is also produced in stars). Lithium isotopes
> > fractionate substantially during a wide variety of natural processes,
> > including mineral formation (chemical precipitation), metabolism, and
> > ion exchange. Lithium ion substitutes for magnesium and iron in
> > octahedral sites in clay minerals... It looks like it can be mined!
> > Then you just put a lithium-mercury amalgam in contact with a lithium
> > hydroxide solution, the Lithium-6 preferentially concentrates in the
> > amalgam, and Lithium-7 in the hydroxide. Sure the local environment
> > suffers from accidental releases of mercury waste, but most of it can
> > be recycled! Don't worry, I mostly copied and pasted and do not use
> > the large/ sciencey words found in the above section in my regular
> > vocabulary.
> >
> >
> > Okay so without making stuff up, not saying Beinirham turned out to be
> > a gas giant rather than a man eating jungle world, and with tritium
> > being unnatural/ hard to come by naturally with a 12 year half life,
> > I'll be going after Lithium instead of Uranium.
> >
> > I suppose that the BEF had yet to confirm the rumor of uranium.
> > Perhaps the guys that thought they found it just mixed up their rocks.
> >
> > Lithuim has quite a few uses. It forms a minor part of igneous rocks,
> > with the largest concentrations in granites, and can be found in clays
> > and brines (Salt saturated water). It usually is in very low
> > concentrations, with many deposits being small, or too low in grade
> > for commercial use. This means that if Beinirham had a rich deposit it
> > would be of great financial opportunity to the PTC.
> >
> > What if the site had some models of what the mineral could be used
> > for, including a working reactor?
> >
> > --- In praetorian-IG@..., "Rory Lowings" <rozc19@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds ok, but bear in mind that radiation isn't just provided by
> > Uranium in
> > > the 41st millenium. You can make up something way more interesting,
> > with way
> > > more useful properties than uranium can provide. This isn't too hard
> > of a
> > > thing...
> > >
> > > Also, Thermonuclear weapons are pretty much useless in the 41st
> > millenium.
> > > Not only is the 'final solution' of Exterminatus far better
> > conducted with
> > > weapons like Virus Bombs, but tactical deployment of such dangerous
> > weapons
> > > is impractical. Not only do they destroy, they also irradiate and
> > burn for
> > > hundreds of miles. Fallout is more dangerous to ground troops than,
> > say, a
> > > precision strike with laser lances or even a Machine-Spirit-guided
> > munition.
> > > The land is unusable for anything for a couple of thousand years,
> > and, most
> > > importantly, Thermonuclear weapons are unsporting, and thus
> > unPraetorian.
> > >
> > > They are totally obsoloescent, in short. Now, were you to come
up with
> > > something a little more original than uranium (which has
probably been
> > > totally consumed from Terra by the year 40,000 anyway) then we
can talk.
> > >
> > > 2008/12/17 ben.pilloud <ben.pilloud@>
> > >
> > > > I was trying to figure out how my unit could join a Campaign,
> > > > organized by the Imperial Guard message boards, when it is on the
> > > > other side of the galaxy from my current objectives. I thought
I was
> > > > going to have to blame Tzeentch for yet another warp accident.
> > > >
> > > > A suggestion, sparked by my wondering if nukes would be
allowed, has
> > > > actually helped me determine what shall become of my unit once the
> > > > Beinirham Mining Colony is secure.
> > > >
> > > > No one ever said I had to do my fluff in chronological order.
So this
> > > > Campaign could easily take place after the BMC is at least
running.
> > > > Even though I have not gotten to that point with actual
battles. The
> > > > colony would have become a trading center under the PTC, selling/
> > > > trading it's product, uranium, to the Imperium and it's
planets, other
> > > > empires within the empire, etc. for equipment, goods, and
money and
> > > > stuff like that.
> > > >
> > > > The Expeditionary Force would then become the planets PDF force or
> > > > become a regular unit in the Praetorian Guard. Of course also
being in
> > > > the PTC they would be involved with, taking a cut from, and
know a bit
> > > > about the Uranium trade, and the uses of their product. Upon
learning
> > > > its fuel and weapons potential they would quickly become their own
> > > > customers and have a few pieces of the finished product.
Eventually,
> > > > the unit will become 'masters' of the nuke, or relatively for 40k,
> > > > similar but on a lesser scale to them being masters of jungle
warfare.
> > > >
> > > > One of their customers/ a user of tech like theirs is in
trouble, with
> > > > several conflicts with many factions on their planet, possibly
having
> > > > technical problems, had lost/ about to loose their nukes enemy
> > > > hands... anything I come up with. Not only will the
Deathwolders be
> > > > attempting to keep/ gain their business, but they will be one
of the
> > > > few units that have 'experience' with such technology, thus
meriting a
> > > > trip to the other side of the galaxy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In praetorian-IG@..., "ben.pilloud"
> > > > <ben.pilloud@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello, I'm Captian Belesarius, commanding officer of The
Beinirham
> > > > > Colony Expeditionary Force, 1st Company. The 'Company'
> > originated from
> > > > > Catachan. (It is actually only about platoon strength plus some
> > > > Setinals).
> > > > >
> > > > > My 'Company' is comprised of just 38 soldiers (536 or 629
points if
> > > > > the Fast Attack squad is used as regulars. Plus points for
grenades
> > > > > and booby traps if I use them). Divided into a Command Squad; A
> > > > > platoon with two 5 man squads; another platoon with a two
team fire
> > > > > support and two squads, one of which has a missile launcher
and the
> > > > > two 'locals'; An I/R Platoon (Catachan Patrol): and a squadron
> > of two
> > > > > Setinals.
> > > > >
> > > > > The only non Catachan, including the two 'locals' who are
> > possibly the
> > > > > closest thing the planet had to a PDF, is the Commissar.
> > > > >
> > > > > (Other than those RPed) The Company has only been in one
> > 'Battle'. It
> > > > > was actually more of a mostly friendly war game between my
Company
> > > > > (minus five men, the commissar, and two officers. Myself being
> > only a
> > > > > lieutenant of a platoon, but also serving as Acting Company
> > Captain),
> > > > > and a Squad of Space Marines with an armored train (Also
mine and
> > > > > played by my self, but fairly, the battle being to 'decide' the
> > > > > outcome for the main character of a 4 pg story I wrote which
had a
> > > > > sort of poor conclusion in my mind, although it was the intro
> > and 40k
> > > > > terms that made me loose points, and now both are
inaccurate). The
> > > > > goal was for my company to stop the Space Marines from
taking their
> > > > > prisoner (The sample Space Marine I painted when I first
bought my
> > > > > starter set two years ago) through the exit point on the other
> > end of
> > > > > the board. On the third turn a missile finally Took out the
> > > > > locomotive, before or just when the train was entirely on
the board.
> > > > > Leading from the front, and my shots not penetrating the Armour
> > of the
> > > > > Astrates I was aiming at I tried to get closer, and assault. But
> > > > > didn't make it to the ladder on the tender, the train being wood
> > > > > powered, cheap on jungle worlds.I learned that pretty much
standing
> > > > > directly under someone with a missile launcher pointed at you is
> > not a
> > > > > good Idea. T- Shirts and some leaves don't really make a
difference
> > > > > against krak missiles. But we won, in a victorious
slaughter. Thanks
> > > > > to the disabling of all 4 high point cars on the train,
killing all
> > > > > our opponents, meeting the objective, and with one unit still
> > alive in
> > > > > the highest fatality unit. Having the advantage of infiltrate,
> > Victory
> > > > > was obtained by Jungle fighters alone. The setinals
receiving mostly
> > > > > low roles an having to start in the deployment zone, on the
opposite
> > > > > corner of the map, only made it about half way across the map.
> > > > >
> > > > > The company is finely going to get an assured chance for action,
> > > > > having been skunked the last three excursions. (Three trips
to my to
> > > > > my local GW Hobby center turned into nothing more then
painting with
> > > > > free paint due to lack of players in my points range, and one
> > case of
> > > > > exclusion.) After Months of constantly taunting, provoking,
> > > > > challenging, seeking progress reports from, and even
persuading a
> > > > > small group of tau (305-308 points or so), they finally seem
to be
> > > > > gearing for war, and now instead of us halving to initiate
> > > > > communication/ remind them of the subject, they have started
> > > > > initiating the conversation themselves.
> > > > > 5 men from my weapons teams have just been issued their new
lasguns
> > > > > (Unpainted still), Also the emperor's war paints are still
> > needed for
> > > > > Myself, the officers, and even 'Mr.Whippys' (The Commissar,
> > > > > his name due to the, still to be painted, red 'whippy stick'
held
> > > > > behind his back. Ironically NOT considered a weapon in the rule
> > book,
> > > > > although at my local GW center the ones in the starter set
ARE. His
> > > > > Chimera if I get one will become the Mr. Whippy's Van).
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll let out know How that turns out. They like to mention their
> > > > > broadside a lot, but then we remind them that without their
precious
> > > > > markerlights, they wouldn't be able to hit the side of a
> > starship, if
> > > > > they were INSIDE it.
> > > > >
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