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#376 From: Ben Pilloud <ben.pilloud@...>
Date: Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:01 am
Subject: Gem or Junker? Vote for The Big Red Van
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Greetings Praetoria!

With college around the corner, and my desire to avoid using any loans, I'm taking every scholarship opportunity I can. With December deadlines rolling around, for the past two weeks I've been very busy filling out surveys, submitting essays, and entering contests in an attempt to enter as many as possible before I leave to visit family on Monday. Most recently I have entered my van in Brickfish's Gem or Junker Contest. The winner and runner up are chosen by the Brickfish panel, but there is also a drawing from the top 100 'Most Viral'. Most viral meaning the submission which receives the most attention on the internet in places other than Brickfish. If you could spare a moment, and would like to help me with this, just follow these steps:

  1. Use the link below to view my entry
  2. Vote for The Big Red Van
  3. Use the Share this Entry toolbar to post it on all of your internet hang outs.
  4. Email it to your friends
  5. Watch the ranking soar
http://www.brickfish.com/Pages/PhotosAlbums/PhotoView.aspx?qsi=28369731

Thank you for your support and have a Merry Christmas.

The Emperor Protects,
Ben Pilloud


#375 From: Ben Pilloud <ben.pilloud@...>
Date: Sat Dec 12, 2009 2:06 am
Subject: Re: Re: Hello
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Now I know why GW needs FAQs, their abhuman secretary happens to have a similar name to thier editor, so due to a clerical error(which in GW's mind is somthing which cannot be repaired) this secretary get's all of the products for final review. However, his secretary's keyboard has two buttons Delete, and Send to the World. The CEO then storms down the hall to the real editor's office and tells him that if he weren't his cousin he would be on the street, and the FAQ is produced.

Similarly I was copy pasting a section, editing two, and still not done. So Hopefully you didn't read my orgional message first, or if you did, skip down to the part where I mention the Commissar.

Yeah, on a similar note, while I spent too much on a toy drive to finish my 40k shopping on my most recent trip, I did order the first non-Catachan addition to my army, turns out they don't give the Jungle fighters Plasma guns, apart from the one in the new Command Squad set. So I had to settle for Cadians which, since they'll be in my command squad, might be converatble to Praetorians wearing armor. Not usual, I know, but if the mission was super intense, or I were to convert Creed into some cousin of the Praetorian Crown who disite being the 7th or 70th in line is still fairly high up in the PTC, then it might make sense that all dignity asside he and his entourage have the best armor an weapons money can buy. Besides, if I paint it to look like really nice 'pace instead of Flak Armor, it might be acceptable if it were like a very nice gift from a highly ranked/ respected person, or somthing like that.


Fluff wise, the heavily battered Beinirham Expeditionary Force, which has by now already become the 42nd Company is in such dire straights that the highest ranking Praetorian Guardsmen left, are NCOs. While normally within the Praetorian Guard, if it is anything like my inerpritation of the Colonial era British Army or the American 'Buffalo' Units, one of these NCOs would be granted an Emergency Field Commission in the XCO's dying gasp, or by some clause in the Praetorian Guard Manual, it is assumed that at this point, there are so few remaining Praetorian Guardsmen that it would be absolutly impossible to prevent one of the Catachan Lietenants from being promoted to Captian 'Catachan Style.'  Of course, while the Praetorians have control of a significant portion of the Catachan and Orgyn miner's salaries and other aspects, attempting to use that as a bargining chip would just create a loosing fire fight or the Catachans walking off and start their own colony. In addition to the Miners who double as the militia and the last line of defense, there is also a Catachan IG unit donated by the Imperium to protect its limited intrest in the valuable minerals (lots of lithium, alleged rare uranium deposits, a small amount of aluminum, and of course a little gold too) present on Beinirhem.  If Beinirham wasn't a Jungley deathworld crawling with Orks, the tiny IG force with the militia included would still be slightly outmatched by the superior heavy weapons arsenal of the PTC and Praetorian Impirial Guard Colonial Defence Force (PIGCDF). But then why would the Praetoreans use Catachans otherwise?

However, I'd like to think that for a Catachan, Belisarius, the new Captain is a smart guy. Which, his ability to convince the the even less 'civilised' enlisted men and even the Bone 'ead miners to not murder the Commisar or any of the Praetorians already suggests. That and his superior rank, almost make up for him not being Praetorian, except for the whole PIGCDF Manual/ Senior Officer's final order thing. However, thanks to their slightly more fancey Red uniforms, and tendencey to be shouting orders while leading the charge and flashing a 'toy' sword around (since these are after all over-glorified line grunts, not experienced Company Commanders) it is assumed that even the Orks could figure out who the 'umie Waaagh Boss is, and which one to direct their fire at. Which, since this would eventually eliminate all of the Praetorean Officers and all the way down through the Sgt. Major, is why the line grunts are forced to try to take charge (pun intended) in the first place. I'm sure a Praetorean would much rather follow the less experienced leadership of the same guy that on planet fall was an overly enthusiastic snot nosed private who would sooner try to wave his Primir in the face of a war boss while promising the Emperor's immediate wrath, than remotely consider staining his uniform by using his bayonet. The Catachan Captain on the other hand, has probably only been in his dress uniform 5 times max, including when he tried it on, and while he would much rather take on the war boss with no weapons, would just as gladly stick his plasma pistol to the warboss's face and drench himself with blood and spores. Also, he controls the jungle fighters and the miners, who due to natural selection could beat any hive world conscript unit to pieces.

Of course when there are mixed/ transfered units which would just as soon fight their new comrads than the Orks and other enemies, the Imperium is sure to include a(n additional) Commissar in the package. The commissar in the Beinirham 42nd Company is remarkably still alive. This is largley for two reasons: first, because in addition to his extensive training in jungle warfare to become a Commissar, he is VERY talented with his disciplanary switch as some necrons and orks found out the hard way, and second, the Catachan officers have convinced the enlisted men that he is the only reason the PTC still pays them, which causes them to watch his back out of protection rather than to find the best opertunity to shove a live krak grenade in his great coat.) So, the Praetorians do still have a shot at getting their NCO to become the new Compant Comander, or to even get the Commissar to become one of those Commissar-Colonels, which ultimately they would like better than a Catachan XCO (I can't remember the Abreviation for eXecutive Commissioned/ Commanding Officer, but that's what I mean) . After all, considering Praetorian essentially means 'Protector of the Emperor' if they can't get a Praetorean XCO, the next best thing would be a Tallaren Commissar-Colonel, which is a combination of the only two guard forces (counting the Commisart) with compareable devotion to 'Emperor bothering' to that of the Praetorian Guard. However, while that is the only option until at least a Battalion strength Regiment of Praetorean reinforcements arive, it won't be as easy as saying, "I'm Praetorian and he's not, Sir." that ussually won't work with a Commissar of the Imperium's IG. Also, whether the PTC likes it or not, Catachans are still vital to the Imperium winning wars, and equally important to the survival of the Praetoreans remaining on Beinirham. Finally, in the Commisar's eyes, if some IG line Sgt. decides to bash his new XCO, no matter which planet they happen to be from, rather than jumping to he aid of the Sgt, he will either take a mediation role, or nod in approval as the officer teaches the Sgt a little lesson involving the 'chain of command'.

As I mentioned earlier, Belisarius is a smart guy, so practicly he would realise that allowing this kid to take his place would be the equivilent of sabotouge, and therefore almost treason, which means before the Sgt. can take his next breath and continue his above statement, officially, casually, or mumbling to himself he will find a plasma pistol* or the Captain's face within a centimeter of his and unexpectedly a very loud and furious sermon. This of course will bring the Commissar and everyone on base not on duty running, because it isn't every day you hear/ get to witness a Catachan (in Deathworld the Catachans are protrayed as the most secular redneck natualists in the Imperium) is giving a 'beg the Emperorr for forgivness as your life is about to end and only he can save you' type sermon to a Praetorian. (The #1 'Emperor Bothering' group, apart from the Church of the Emperor and his super human children.)

This would likley start with Belisarius cussing him out and smacking him around a bit, maybey even dragging him in the direction of the Commissar's office or the Cemetary (depending what degree of offence to Catachans/ Belisarius the Sgt. caused) until his audience began to show up. Then he would begin questioning the logic of having an Empire within an Empire if it is guarnuteed to cause some confusion about which Emperor and which IG its soldiers were loyal to and lead to en mass counts of Heresy. (He wouldn't share this, as it would cause Beinirham to Cease to Exist, but Belisarius shared a kill team experience with an Inquisitor Lord specialised in retaking traitorous planets. Belisaius almost single handedly recaptured a Lemen Russ that would have ripped apart the 'rust bucket' varient Chimera the Squad found. (A terminator Captian kept the traitor HW batteries head's down, and another guardmen who very quickley became lascannon fodder) Needless to say the Inquisitor Lord and then Lt. Belisarius put each other on speed dial after that.) After waiting for the Praetorian to start pleading for mercy/ try to make an argument, Belisarius would ask the Sgt if given a choice would he Serve the God-Emperor or Praetoria. If the answer is not almost instantaneously the God Emperor, the Sgt will lose his head in about as long as it takes to squeese the trigger an yell "Heritic" and the local PTC Officer/ Purser would suddenly be directing a lot more funds into 'labor force salaries' in fear of his life. Should the Sgt. still have his head, then the he would have proven himself to be a true servent of the God-Emperor, not just a 'clown trying to fight Orks in a Jungle by making them laugh to death with their red suits and funny hats' (which I by the way find very stylish, but Belisarius would also find just rediculous, altough he wouldn't say so) and thus it is assumed that the Sgt recognises or will be quickley made to confess that he is IG. The Captian will then state that regardless of the status of the PIG in terms of control over the PTC Colony of Beinirham, the PIG is still IG, and requested assistance from the IG. Also in the IG it goes from Lieutenant to Captian, not Sgt. to Capt. for a good reason. But more importantly is the fact that it is the God-Emperor's most righteous will for it to be that way, and questioning it is Blasphamy. Thus any Sgt. under oath to serve the God-Emperor who would organise an attempt to undermine His will is a Traitor, and anyone who knew about it and had not already informed his superior or in the case of the superior he had not informed the Commissar, they would also be charged as conspirators to mutiny. This conversation would end shortly:
"Have I made myself perfectly clear Seargent?!"
"Yesir..." (Because anything else would mean instant death)
"Then as tolarence leads to betrayal, you understand what has to be done."
"I do sir." (Undoubtedly the noble Praetorian bit in the Sgt. would be surfacing for its potentially last and finest hour.)
"Then, in my interpritation," Belisarius concludes," you, until recently a Seargent in the Imperial Guard, that Omnipotent Hammer of the Emperor, *Rips off the former Sgt's stripes* are the most miserable excuse for a man unworthy to bear this sacred symbol of authority. You have dressed up in the God-Emperor's Most Holy 'War Paint' to gain favor or mercy in the noble and just eyes of His Commissar. Is it not writen that the rewards for tolerance are trechery and betrayal? Do you really think that a surplus uniform and bits of ribbon and metal can hide your deeds from the all seeing Light of the God-Emperor, or save you from His awesome wrath? Mutiny, is what you and your pale-skinned and white helmeted bretheren have preformed by seizing command through promotin yourselves to Captian by force, and without authority to do so, with the exception of the first of these promotions made by the late Colonel Ignitus. Mutiny doesn't simply violate the Emperor's will, it directly opposes it and is thus Treason. Fortunately for most of you, the strict dicipline policies of the Praetorean Guard have forced you to obey these men who have been taking for themselves what was meant to be given by the God-Emperor. Yet, as effective as that iron fist of Praetoria seems, "The most deviant mind is often concealed in an unblemished body." *Motions to the Sgt's uniform, and with his free and scared hand, pinches the boyish cheek of the Sgt.* "Cute ain't he? Wrong! There is nothing cute about what is hidden beneath this mask and clever costume. To think is a privledge, granted you by the Emperor, but as such is one he can just as easily take away! What ever is Right and Honorable in the Emperor's eyes, whatever is Faithful to his will and power, think only of these things and Nothing else, or you shall suffer the same fate as this poor soul. *Turning back to the traitor* Standing tall will do you no good now, you should have thought of doing that when you were being tempted to even consider this little coup of your's. If you have any regard to your soul or your fellow men, pray that they may find your example and the reward you have earned as motivation to remain loyal to their Emperors and not their own intrest. Rest assured, I will not stoop to your level, and shall not carry out your sentence myself, for you are not worthy to be slain by such a prized weapon as this (at which point he would lower the plasma pistol) and by my hand you would suffer a slow and agonising death which would maryterise you and defeat its purpose. As such, your fate, and the fate of your accomplices will be determined by Commissar Montgomery and his greater insight on the sacred Commandments of the Emperor and the Administration of Justice."

This 'sermon', perhapse being the most Pro-God Emperor statement to have ever come out of a Catachan's mouth, let alone in a lecture to a semi-heritical Praetorean, would be guarunteed to cause almost everyone present except mabey the Commissar to scratch their heads in silence, shocked by thier confusion and the extraoranary situation. The Commissar would very likley be already looking for anything on Belisarius resembling drugs or liquor, partly to confiscate it, and partly to reccommend that the Munitorium mass produce it and add it to the standard rations. Upon finding nothing of the sort/ very little but nothing which could turn a Catachan into a priest, in addition to the absence of any primir which Belisarius was obviously quoting from. Thus not only was this Catachan supporting his rantings with scripture and famous quotes, but he was reciting them from memory. If the Commiassar did not immediatly need his hat to make him look more imporing than he naturally is, it would have been tipped to Belisarius. But while Catachans are usually shorter than average guardsmen, Praetoreans seem like they would be somewhat taller, and this Tallaren somewhere in the middle. This story always ends the same, the main traitor gets stripped of his uniform, it gets recycled, he gets executed by the Commissar, an investigatioon immediatly follows, and due to the Commissar's effectiveness the other accomplices become a penal mining gang, and are replaced by the best soldiers of the miner's militia.

Then some Praetorian Colonel or higher (PTC Trade Baron...) will likley show up with reinforcements in the near future (or mabey even Governor Beinir and his colonisation fleet will escape the clutches of the warp) and undo the practical advantage gained by the Catachans from Belisarius's efforts. But when/ if the Colonel of the Beinirham 1st Colonial Regiment were to become a casualty,  Belisarius would at least be one of the candidates.

*Capt. Belisarius's plasma pistol while rare fluffwise, and especially for a Catachan with any rank below Colonel, thanks to the 5th ed. codex could have very likley been 'comandeered' from some Cadin Sgt who litteraly, and very foolishly, bumped into Belisarius during a mess break during some sort of 'advanced training excercise' or somthing like that his unit was taking part in on Catachan. Apart from his dog tags and rank insignia, which for a Catachan is significantly decorated for a feild uniform, Belisarius wouldn't have been wearing anything standard issue, let alone resembling a traditional Cadin Officer's heavily decorated uniform. (I would assume litteraly heavy for SCO's, and more so on Praetoria.) Belisarius does have one of those metalic skulls implanted in the middle of his forehead for 5 years of service in the Catachan IG, but to a Cadin, that could be some obscure religious symbol. (I don't think I've seen many models that have the dagger for 10 years, and while they definatly are references to spiritual symbols and may be intended to seem like that was their origin, may Catachans prefer to rely on themeselves and rarely prey to the Emperor, so their full meaning may be lost.) The pudding and/or soup on Lt. Belisarius's loaded tray (possibly even seconds considering he is a human tank, an officer, and on his home planet) would have easily distracted the punk Cadin Sgt. from the fact that the man carrying it was twice his size, at least an NCO, considering he would have had a laspistol, and fluff wise/ traditional status wise, only a CO or XCO would have a power Devil's Claw** like Belisarius does. Catachans value their knives more than thier left hands. So you can bet that knife has been in his hand, at his side, or within arm's reach for the past 5 to 10 years. So, ignorant of the planet's customs, and too lazy to take notice of what Belisarius's one medal was, the Cadin Sgt. would have easily mistaken Lt. Belisarius for just some other Catachan 'scum' who's Commissar was somewhere in the general vecinity holding him on a short leash. However, considering Belisarius's memorisation of the Primir, his rank in the IG, status on Catachan, and the opertunity to see if the Cadin's faces change colors, any Commissar who might have been around to stop him would seriously reconsider what might happen should he try to intervene and the possibility that Belisarius would do his job for him. Besides, why risk getting assainated before the sun came up the next day when it would be even more effective and easier to instead: use the authority of the Emperor to order an emergancy supply of popcorn, then sit back and watch  Sgt. from Cadia. Then, mainly to spite Belisarius but also just to see how many colors Cadin's faces have if any,  slap a medal on Belisarius's... belt. So, Belisarius gets a plasma pistol out of the deal, it should keep him out of trouble (like gambling with the astraetes for a bolter) for a while.

(**Devil's Claw: Da' cutta if you are a heritic and want to sell one to an Ork,  Or more likley for a Praetorian, if you are using scare tactics while charging and want the Orks to know/ 'fink' you have a very nice sword-knife, and since it's that knife you better know how to use it. If any cc weapon other than a thunder hammer in an inquisitor's hand, anything in Yarrick's hand, or fitted to a dreadnaught or larger has the potential to cause fear in an ork, Da' Cutta in the hand of someone who can match the Catachans at knife fighting, will make the orks and even some catachan's to consider the weilder a very powerful fighter. However, the likleyhood of a Praetorian having access to a Devil's Claw without picking it off of a commander who's entire regiment was whipped out in a previous wave of Tyranids, let alone having played with knives since before he could walk like the Catachans do out of nessecity, is equal to the probability that GW will through divine intervention decide to scrap the plan to take over the world by buying it, use all of their remaining revenue to create real spacemarines, and secretly anounce their plans/ ask for volunteers from the WH40k players by making the sequil or triquil to Ultramarine a movie about the Emperor getting up of the golden throne when the Imperium is finally pushed back to the Sol system, regains some of the lost technology, and is down to exactly one mixed legion of astraetes surviving from most of the chapters, less than 10 billion guardsmen (Of which you can bet the Cadins, Catachans, and ideally because this is what they were designed for: the Praetoreans, as well as representation from most of the other regiments/ forces of the Imperium) Verses: Everyone else, including the main Tyranid force, all of the Orks United, the Tau Having the Equivilent of Solar Marchias, and so on.  For max potentiasl fans/ recruits. Then being the Emperor, the Imperium force's Commander would end up launching an absolutly successful crusade with its mission being: to personally hack to peices the leaders of all of the other factions in the Galaxy. Of course considering he is supposed to be watching over the galaxy and keeping the warp stable, you can bet he has a nice telly, which despite the size of his palace still seems to big and size wise compared with an IMAX Screen would be like an Imperitor Titan(Two of which probably hold it up) compared to a guardsmen, and considering the existance of stuff like the Eye of Terror, and the fact thet he hasn't used his super powerful mind to will every non-human creature in the galaxy to simply Cease to Exist, you can bet he uses it. The Emperorhas been around since sometime in the 40th millenium if not earlier right? It is almost the 42nd Millenium, and as strong as the Emperor's resolve is, after 2000 years if all of the channels had the same old propaganda about you, or Battle reports, and no matter how many times you call 'the guy' who in this case is named Mankind, and you have super nice, but expensive telly that required the Archaic Ruins of the entire New York skyline to be subject to Exterminus so you could add an extension to your palace just to make it fit, wouldn't you just grab your kids, and a hammer and try to fix it yourself? I mean that is the next best reason if GW doesn't want to make it too obvious that the Emperor is a spinoff of Jesus, although rather than conquering death only managed to achieve a stalemate and pitch the galaxy into eternal war, but has convinced Humanity that in his poker turney vs the Xenos and traitors in which they are the chips, that he is just going to keep bluffing until it looks like everyone else is going to win big, then he's gonna pull five aces and an extra strength suitcase nuke/ deathstrike missile out of his sleeve and dare anyone from stopping him from taking all of their money. But I really don't see GW trying to do that as all of their fans would revolt should they suddenly cease all production with little warning and then tried to conscript them as they stormed the hobby centers for those last additions.)


From: Ben Pilloud <ben.pilloud@...>
To: praetorian-IG@...
Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 9:46:45 PM
Subject: Re: [praetorian-IG] Re: Hello

 

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From: kordell828 <krazey@hotmail. com>
To: praetorian-IG@ yahoogroups. co.uk
Sent: Sun, December 6, 2009 4:16:20 PM
Subject: [praetorian- IG] Re: Hello

 

Well, thanks for the welcome. I've found that some of the Death Korps weapons and arms from their resin lines are worthwhile- it was easy to make some special weapon troopers and I like the look of the longer-barreled flamer.. The bulk of the Wargames Factory models though, I think I will leave mostly as is- explaining it off as their being the Planetary Defense Force of Harlech IV, a planet settled by Praetorians in the far past. Their weapons will have a more dated look- I'm working on lascannons on Napoleonic era carriages, and when I get some more funds I'm going for the Gatling-gun heavy bolters.... So my army will be a mixed force of Praetorian regulars reinforced by their slightly backward kin. The scale, incidentally, doesn't look too bad, although they don't have the heroic proportions of the GW models.

--- In praetorian-IG@ yahoogroups. co.uk, Rory Lowings <rozc19@...> wrote:
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> Welcome aboard. The boards are fairly inactive at the moment, but here are
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> If you're going with Colonial Brits, make sure you add the proper Praetorian
> tunic and epaulettes. It's a common misconception that Praetorians can be
> represented by British proxies. In truth, the uniform is a mixture of
> Russian and Germanic influences. Nobody has put up any decent shots of
> converted Wargames factory minis though, so you will be a pioneer! I wish
> you luck!
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> 2009/11/30 kordell828 <krazey@...>
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> > I recently decided to start a Praetorian IG force. I am going to use some
> > of the older models ( I have picked up a few over the years, and I recently
> > acquired most of an original boxed set) but the backbone of my infantry will
> > probably be the Wargames Factory plastics, as they are 1. cost effective and
> > 2. awfully good models for plastic. I have found that the Reaper
> > Chronoscope Colonial Riflemen are suitable also- although a bit big. I've
> > been a 40k player since the early 90s, and returned to it when the last
> > Space Marine codex was released. I've not played guard in a long time, but
> > I am more of a modeler than a player anyway. In any case, I'm just saying
> > hi, I'm joining your group... :)
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#374 From: Ben Pilloud <ben.pilloud@...>
Date: Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:46 am
Subject: Re: Re: Hello
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Yeah, on a similar note, while I spent too much on a toy drive to finish my 40k shopping on my most recent trip, I did order the first non-Catachan addition to my army, turns out they don't give the Jungle fighters Plasma guns, apart from the one in the new Command Squad set. So I had to settle for Cadians which, since they'll be in my command squad, might be converatble to Praetorians wearing armor. Not usual, I know, but if the mission was super intense, or I were to convert Creed into some cousin of the Praetorian Crown who disite being the 7th or 70th in line is still fairly high up in the PTC, then it might make sense that all dignity asside he and his entourage have the best armor an weapons money can buy. Besides, if I paint it to look like really nice 'pace instead of Flak Armor, it might be acceptable if it were like a very nice gift from a highly ranked/ respected person, or somthing like that.

Fluff wise, the heavily battered Beinirham Expeditionary Force, which has by now already become the 42nd Company is in such dire straights that the highest ranking Praetorian Guardsmen left, are NCOs. While normally within the Praetorian Guard, if it is anything like my inerpritation of the Colonial era British Army or the American 'Buffalo' Units, one of these NCOs would be granted an Emergency Field Commission in the XCO's dying gasp, or by some clause in the Praetorian Guard Manual, it is assumed that at this point, there are so few remaining Praetorian Guardsmen that it would be absolutly impossible to prevent one of the Catachan Lietenants from being promoted to Captian 'Catachan Style.'  Of course, while the Praetorians have control of a significant portion of the Catachan and Orgyn miner's salaries and other aspects, attempting to use that as a bargining chip would just create a loosing fire fight or the Catachans walking off and start their own colony. In addition to the Miners who double as the militia and the last line of defense, there is also a Catachan IG unit donated by the Imperium to protect its limited intrest in the valuable minerals (lots of lithium, alleged rare uranium deposits, a small amount of aluminum, and of course a little gold too) present on Beinirhem.  If Beinirham wasn't a Jungley deathworld crawling with Orks, the tiny IG force with the militia included would still be slightly outmatched by the superior heavy weapons arsenal of the PTC and Praetorian Impirial Guard Colonial Defence Force (PIGCDF). But then why would the praetoreans use Catachans otherwise?

Of course when there are mixed/ transfered units which would just as soon fight their new comrads than the Orks and other enemies, the Imperium is sure to include a(n additional) Commissar in the package. The commissar in the Beinirham 42nd Company is remarkably still alive. iThis is largley for two reasons: first, because in addition to his extensive training in jungle warfare to become a Commissar, he is VERY talented with his disciplanary switch as some necrons and orks found out the hard way, and second, the Catachan officers have convinced the enlisted men that he is the only reason the PTC still pays them, which causes them to watch his back out of protection rather than while plotting to cause an 'accident' wile he is looking away.) So, the Praetorians do still have a shot at getting their NCO to become the new Captian, or to even get the Commissar to become one of those Commissar-Colonels, which ultimately they would like better than a Catachan XCO (I can't remember the Abreviation for eXecutive Commissioned/ Commanding Officer, but that's what I mean) . After all, considering Praetorian essentially means 'Protector of the Emperor' if they can't get a Praetorean XCO, the next best thing would be a Tallaren Commissar-Colonel, which is a combination of the only two guard forces (counting the Commisart) with compareable devotion to 'Emperor bothering' to that of the Praetorian Guard.

However, I'd like to think that for a Catachan, Belisarius, the new Captain is a smart guy. Which, his ability to convince the the even less 'civilised' enlisted men and even the Bone 'ead miners to not murder the Commisar or any of the Praetorians already suggests. That and his superior rank, almost make up for him not being Praetorian, except for the whole PIGCDF Manual/ Senior Officer's final order thing. However, thanks to their slightly more fancey Red uniforms, and tendencey to be shouting orders while leading the charge an flashing a sword around (since these are after all over-glorified line grunts, not experienced Company Commanders) it is assumed that even the Orks could figure out who the 'umie Waaagh Boss is and which one to direct their fire at. Which is why the line grunts are forced to try to take charge (pun intended) in the first place, because I'm sure a Praetorean would much rather follow the less experienced leadership of the same guy that on planet fall was an overly enthusiastic private who would sooner try to wave his Primir in the face of a war boss and promising the Emperor's immediate wrath than remotely consider staining his uniform by using his bayonet. The Catachan Captain on the other hand, has probably only been in his dress uniform 5 times max, including when he tried it on, and while he would much rather take on the war boss with no weapons, would just as gladly stick his plasma pistol to the warboss's face and drench himself with blood and spores.

That pistol while rare fluffwise, and especially for a Catachan with any rank below Colonel, thanks to the 5th ed. codex could have very likley been 'comandeered' from some Cadin Sgt who litteraly, and very foolishly, bumped into Belisarius during a mess break during some sort of 'advanced training excercise' or somthing like that his unit was taking part in on Catachan. However, apart from his dog tags and rank insignia, which for a Catachan is significantly decorated for a feild uniform, Belisarius of course really wouldn't be whereing anything standard issue, let alone resembling a traditional Cadin Officer's (I would assume litteraly for SCO's) heavily decorated uniform. Belisarius does have one of those metalic skulls implanted in the middle of his forehead for 5 years of service in the Catachan IG, but to a Cadin, that could be some obscure religious symbol. (I don't think I've seen many models that have the dagger for 10, and while they definatly are references to spiritual symbols and may be intended to seem like that was their origin, in Deathworld the Catachans are protrayed as the most secular redneck natualists in the Imperium.) The pudding and/or soup on Lt. Belisarius's loaded tray (possibly even seconds considering he is a human tank, and an officer from and on Catachan) would have easily distracted the punk Cadin Sgt. from the fact that he was at least an NCO, considering he would have had a laspistol, and fluff wise/ traditional status wise, only a CO or XCO would have a power Devil's Claw* like Belisarius does. Catachan value their knives more than thier left hands. So you can bet that knife has been in his hand, at his side, or within arm's reach for the past 5 to 10 years.  s  just some other Catachan 'scum' who dispite being twice his size and carrying , had a Commissar somewhere in the general vecinity holding him on a short leash.  (Devil's claw: BIG knife, pretty much a Sword, sometimes converted to a power weapon by Catachan officers, and the only Knife in the Imperium to be given a name by the orks: Da Cutta.) However, before Beinirham, Belisarius was stationed on Catachan, that and the fact that his knife suggests that he has a rather high status on Catachan, would make any Commissar who might have been around to stop him to seriously reconsider what might happen should he try to intervene. Besides, why risk getting assainated before the sun came up the next day when it would be even more effective and easier to instead: use the authority of the Emperor to order an emergancy supply of popcorn, then sit backand watch  Sgt. from Cadia and then, mainly to spite Belisarius but also just to see how many colors Cadin's faces have if any, would slap a medal on Belisarius's... belt.  because the only pin Belisardenote his rank, oronly has to remind them that serving the God-Emperor and not snot nosed children who think having a laspistol and dressing up in the Emperor's most holy 'war paint'

(*Devil's Claw: Da' cutta if you are a heritic and want to sell one to an Ork,  Or more likley for a Praetorian, if you are using scare tactics while charging and want the Orks to know/ 'fink' you have a very nice sword-knife, and since it's that knife you better know how to use it. If any cc weapon other than a thunder hammer in an inquisitor's hand, anything in Yarrick's hand, or fitted to a dreadnaught or larger has the potential to cause fear in an ork, Da' Cutta in the hand of someone who can match the Catachans at knife fighting, will make the orks and even some catachan's to consider the weilder a very powerful fighter. However, the likleyhood of a Praetorian having access to a Devil's Claw without picking it off of a commander who's entire regiment was whipped out in a previous wave of Tyranids, let alone having played with knives since before he could walk like the Catachans do out of nessecity, is equal to the probability that GW will through divine intervention decide to scrap the plan to take over the world by buying it, use all of their remaining revenue to create real spacemarines, and secretly anounce their plans/ ask for volunteers from the WH40k players by making the sequil or triquil to Ultramarine a movie about the Emperor getting up of the golden throne when the Imperium is finally pushed back to the Sol system, regains some of the lost technology, and is down to exactly one mixed legion of astraetes surviving from most of the chapters, less than 10 billion guardsmen (Of which you can bet the Cadins, Catachans, and ideally because this is what they were designed for: the Praetoreans, as well as representation from most of the other regiments/ forces of the Imperium) Verses: Everyone else, including the main Tyranid force, all of the Orks United, the Tau Having the Equivilent of Solar Marchias, and so on.  For max potentiasl fans/ recruits. Then being the Emperor, the Imperium force's Commander would end up launching an absolutly successful crusade with its mission being: to personally hack to peices the leaders of all of the other factions in the Galaxy. Of course considering he is supposed to be watching over the galaxy and keeping the warp stable, you can bet he has a nice telly, which despite the size of his palace still seems to big and size wise compared with an IMAX Screen would be like an Imperitor Titan(Two of which probably hold it up) compared to a guardsmen, and considering the existance of stuff like the Eye of Terror, and the fact thet he hasn't used his super powerful mind to will every non-human creature in the galaxy to simply Cease to Exist, you can bet he uses it. The Emperorhas been around since sometime in the 40th millenium if not earlier right? It is almost the 42nd Millenium, and as strong as the Emperor's resolve is, after 2000 years if all of the channels had the same old propaganda about you, or Battle reports, and no matter how many times you call 'the guy' who in this case is named Mankind, and you have super nice, but expensive telly that required the Archaic Ruins of the entire New York skyline to be subject to Exterminus so you could add an extension to your palace just to make it fit, wouldn't you just grab your kids, and a hammer and try to fix it yourself? I mean that is the next best reason if GW doesn't want to make it too obvious that the Emperor is a spinoff of Jesus, although rather than conquering death only managed to achieve a stalemate and pitch the galaxy into eternal war, but has convinced Humanity that in his poker turney vs the Xenos and traitors in which they are the chips, that he is just going to keep bluffing until it looks like everyone else is going to win big, then he's gonna pull five aces and an extra strength suitcase nuke/ deathstrike missile out of his sleeve and dare anyone from stopping him from taking all of their money. )

From: kordell828 <krazey@...>
To: praetorian-IG@...
Sent: Sun, December 6, 2009 4:16:20 PM
Subject: [praetorian-IG] Re: Hello

 

Well, thanks for the welcome. I've found that some of the Death Korps weapons and arms from their resin lines are worthwhile- it was easy to make some special weapon troopers and I like the look of the longer-barreled flamer.. The bulk of the Wargames Factory models though, I think I will leave mostly as is- explaining it off as their being the Planetary Defense Force of Harlech IV, a planet settled by Praetorians in the far past. Their weapons will have a more dated look- I'm working on lascannons on Napoleonic era carriages, and when I get some more funds I'm going for the Gatling-gun heavy bolters.... So my army will be a mixed force of Praetorian regulars reinforced by their slightly backward kin. The scale, incidentally, doesn't look too bad, although they don't have the heroic proportions of the GW models.

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> Russian and Germanic influences. Nobody has put up any decent shots of
> converted Wargames factory minis though, so you will be a pioneer! I wish
> you luck!
>
> Major of the LVIII
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> 2009/11/30 kordell828 <krazey@...>
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> > I recently decided to start a Praetorian IG force. I am going to use some
> > of the older models ( I have picked up a few over the years, and I recently
> > acquired most of an original boxed set) but the backbone of my infantry will
> > probably be the Wargames Factory plastics, as they are 1. cost effective and
> > 2. awfully good models for plastic. I have found that the Reaper
> > Chronoscope Colonial Riflemen are suitable also- although a bit big. I've
> > been a 40k player since the early 90s, and returned to it when the last
> > Space Marine codex was released. I've not played guard in a long time, but
> > I am more of a modeler than a player anyway. In any case, I'm just saying
> > hi, I'm joining your group... :)
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#373 From: "kordell828" <krazey@...>
Date: Mon Dec 7, 2009 12:16 am
Subject: Re: Hello
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Well, thanks for the welcome.  I've found that some of the Death Korps weapons
and arms from their resin lines are worthwhile- it was easy to make some special
weapon troopers and I like the look of the longer-barreled flamer..  The bulk of
the Wargames Factory models though, I think I will leave mostly as is-
explaining it off as their being the Planetary Defense Force of Harlech IV, a
planet settled by Praetorians in the far past.  Their weapons will have a more
dated look- I'm working on lascannons on Napoleonic era carriages, and when I
get some more funds I'm going for the Gatling-gun heavy bolters.... So my army
will be a mixed force of Praetorian regulars reinforced by their slightly
backward kin. The scale, incidentally, doesn't look too bad, although they don't
have the heroic proportions of the GW models.

--- In praetorian-IG@..., Rory Lowings <rozc19@...> wrote:
>
> Welcome aboard. The boards are fairly inactive at the moment, but here are
> some tips:
>
> If you're going with Colonial Brits, make sure you add the proper Praetorian
> tunic and epaulettes. It's a common misconception that Praetorians can be
> represented by British proxies. In truth, the uniform is a mixture of
> Russian and Germanic influences. Nobody has put up any decent shots of
> converted Wargames factory minis though, so you will be a pioneer! I wish
> you luck!
>
> Major of the LVIII
>
> 2009/11/30 kordell828 <krazey@...>
>
> > I recently decided to start a Praetorian IG force.  I am going to use some
> > of the older models ( I have picked up a few over the years, and I recently
> > acquired most of an original boxed set) but the backbone of my infantry will
> > probably be the Wargames Factory plastics, as they are 1. cost effective and
> > 2. awfully good models for plastic.  I have found that the Reaper
> > Chronoscope Colonial Riflemen are suitable also- although a bit big.  I've
> > been a 40k player since the early 90s, and returned to it when the last
> > Space Marine codex was released.  I've not played guard in a long time, but
> > I am more of a modeler than a player anyway.  In any case, I'm just saying
> > hi, I'm joining your group... :)
> > Kordell
> >
> >
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#372 From: "Belesarius" <ben.pilloud@...>
Date: Tue Dec 1, 2009 12:54 am
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Yay Reinforcements!

--- In praetorian-IG@..., Rory Lowings <rozc19@...> wrote:
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> Welcome aboard. The boards are fairly inactive at the moment, but here are
> some tips:
>
> If you're going with Colonial Brits, make sure you add the proper Praetorian
> tunic and epaulettes. It's a common misconception that Praetorians can be
> represented by British proxies. In truth, the uniform is a mixture of
> Russian and Germanic influences. Nobody has put up any decent shots of
> converted Wargames factory minis though, so you will be a pioneer! I wish
> you luck!
>
> Major of the LVIII
>
> 2009/11/30 kordell828 <krazey@...>
>
> > I recently decided to start a Praetorian IG force.  I am going to use some
> > of the older models ( I have picked up a few over the years, and I recently
> > acquired most of an original boxed set) but the backbone of my infantry will
> > probably be the Wargames Factory plastics, as they are 1. cost effective and
> > 2. awfully good models for plastic.  I have found that the Reaper
> > Chronoscope Colonial Riflemen are suitable also- although a bit big.  I've
> > been a 40k player since the early 90s, and returned to it when the last
> > Space Marine codex was released.  I've not played guard in a long time, but
> > I am more of a modeler than a player anyway.  In any case, I'm just saying
> > hi, I'm joining your group... :)
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#371 From: Rory Lowings <rozc19@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:39 pm
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Welcome aboard. The boards are fairly inactive at the moment, but here are some tips:

If you're going with Colonial Brits, make sure you add the proper Praetorian tunic and epaulettes. It's a common misconception that Praetorians can be represented by British proxies. In truth, the uniform is a mixture of Russian and Germanic influences. Nobody has put up any decent shots of converted Wargames factory minis though, so you will be a pioneer! I wish you luck!

Major of the LVIII

2009/11/30 kordell828 <krazey@...>
I recently decided to start a Praetorian IG force.  I am going to use some of the older models ( I have picked up a few over the years, and I recently acquired most of an original boxed set) but the backbone of my infantry will probably be the Wargames Factory plastics, as they are 1. cost effective and 2. awfully good models for plastic.  I have found that the Reaper Chronoscope Colonial Riflemen are suitable also- although a bit big.  I've been a 40k player since the early 90s, and returned to it when the last Space Marine codex was released.  I've not played guard in a long time, but I am more of a modeler than a player anyway.  In any case, I'm just saying hi, I'm joining your group... :)
Kordell



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#370 From: "kordell828" <krazey@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:54 am
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I recently decided to start a Praetorian IG force.  I am going to use some of
the older models ( I have picked up a few over the years, and I recently
acquired most of an original boxed set) but the backbone of my infantry will
probably be the Wargames Factory plastics, as they are 1. cost effective and 2.
awfully good models for plastic.  I have found that the Reaper Chronoscope
Colonial Riflemen are suitable also- although a bit big.  I've been a 40k player
since the early 90s, and returned to it when the last Space Marine codex was
released.  I've not played guard in a long time, but I am more of a modeler than
a player anyway.  In any case, I'm just saying hi, I'm joining your group... :)
Kordell

#369 From: Ben Pilloud <ben.pilloud@...>
Date: Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:50 pm
Subject: Re: The Ultimate Weapon for Defeating the Tyranids
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Well with 2117 words thrown into it, I figured the Ork's BS Law of Probabilty would make it correct. You are yet more proof that it works. Thank you.

Now one person responded to this with the observation that the Imperium already uses a similar tactic with guardsmen. Considering the factors which could lead to this conclusion I made a realisation. If Lasguns were made from organic materials the 'nids would be screwed.

--- On Thu, 9/10/09, Rory Lowings <rozc19@...> wrote:

From: Rory Lowings <rozc19@...>
Subject: Re: [praetorian-IG] The Ultimate Weapon for Defeating the Tyranids
To: praetorian-IG@...
Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 2:44 AM

 

I'm all for feeding Ronald McDonald to the Great Devourer.

Major

2009/9/10 Ben Pilloud <ben.pilloud@ yahoo.com>


Word count: 2117

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I'm sure I had 3-5 of these posted around in various places, and more up to date/ better edited versions, oh well... I'll just fix it up good and propa'.

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The idea came to me during a discussion a while back on what foods the buggies like best with one of my buddies from Nation States who plays Tyranids. While the buggies may or may not actually eat the stuff they put into the genetic soup, they undoubtedly taste it. We determined that those plasticy drug saturated things in cans are not going to be very tasty, and would hardly be worth the effort. The rotting version with spiky things, they like even less, I assume, as these would likely cause very nasty indigestion. The smaller, less plasticy and less drug saturated version, offer a range of flavor from those ones with the breathing masks to the muscly ones that live in trees , and while not exceedingly tasty, there is always plenty to go around. For some reason or another, Tyranids prefer those smelly, greasy, green skinned things. My theory of an alternative food source was inspired by President George W. Bush who, in an address on Jib Jab about his decision to spend $50 billion to fight zombies, mentioned that we should give zombies "...Grade A American Beef, its good for 'em, they'd like it..." This seemed fairly sound logic, and the possible use of a similar strategy against the 'nids came to me shortly. This possibility was confirmed by the same nid player, who stated the buggies certainly like the food I came up with even better than orks, when they can get it. Without further ado, Ladies and Gentlemen I present to you: The Big Mac. [IMG]http://www.warsound .com/modules/ Forums/images/ smiles/19. gif[/IMG]

Most of the foes faced by the Tyranids, while they may not be as steadfast as the forces of the Imperium, will fight back and resist being eaten, with the possible exception of the Tau when they get into close combat, hehe. If the buggies had an abundance of some even tastier source, that didn't have the ability to fight back, wouldn't they try to use it more when gathering stuff for their genetic soup? With that being said, I feel it is safe to assume that the Tyranids would prefer large quantities of Big Macs to a horde of Orks. The Big Mac is a very tasty option indeed, and it doesn't fight back at all. While the eating habits of the Tyranids, and their whole 'genetic recycling process', will greatly boost the 'side effects' of eating large quantities of big macs, Tyranids aren't exactly the type interested in nutrition facts as long as it [i]looks[/i] organic and would more likely just eat the tape than watch "Titan Size Me." The sugar content of Big Macs, in addition to its contribution to the flavor causes it to become addicting, and those who eat one, buggies included, will very likely go for more. Also, if anything, other than the wondrous Twinkie, could possibly come close to making a 'nid get fat, the Big Mac is it. So, with flavor, ease of obtainment, addiction, the need to gain some weight, (I mean, Tyranids all appear to be skin and bones but all they do is eat, A chubby buggie or even one with just a few 'extra pounds' could be considered a 'buggie of means' or just be really good at its job, and possibly attractive with the ladies but generally a rare and very good thing status wise) the Big Mac is clearly the Great Hunger's #1 choice when it comes to food. (I realize the buggies use a hive mind and are all 1 big creature, and some of my argument would require them to have individual thoughts, but it might still work...)

So we've given the Buggies an alternative food source, where's the catch? What's in it for us?

Well, one advantage for non-nids will be: with the additional source of organic stuff, the buggies would have a slightly decreased demand for the traditional sources (that's us).

The main function however are the effects of introducing the Big Mac to the buggies' 'genetic stew.' As we know, new buggies are produced from this stew, and naturally they retain qualities of whatever was recycled in that batch. Thus, the buggies produced by these batches will retain qualities of the Big Mac, namely: high fat content, high sugar content, messiness, greasiness, and tastiness. Being messy and greasy will increase ease in tracking Big Mac Buggies, and fat buggies will present bigger and slower targets. These Buggies will also taste and be addicting like the Big Macs.

Now we know that convincing the buggies to form a line...

the big ones could use the drive through, and the smaller ones could be served from an armored version of one of those teller windows at the theater, and they'd be lining up like, out of town cause there'd be thousands of em, They will probably get impatient and try to fight to the front [IMG]http://www.warsound .com/modules/ Forums/images/ smiles/16. gif[/IMG]

...while an ideal scenario for our purpose, will never happen, they'd just storm the facility and eat everything inside. Instead, missile launchers, mortars, artillery pieces, and aircraft could be used to distribute the Big Macs more quickly and from a relatively safer distance. While the Big Macs are raining down on the buggies, many will be distracted by this free food falling from the sky and some may go into a frenzy to get their fill. (A full Tyranid, now that's hard to picture.) There is a good chance that during this chaos buggies may end up biting each other, out of impatience, jealousy, or by just accident and will likely get bitten back. The buggies will be injuring each other, and whats more, if the Hive Mind, like anyone, wants to play with its new toys as soon as possible, there is a chance Big Mac Buggies will be present during this chaos at some point. There is a good chance that some of them will be included in those bitten into, and when one is very hungry, as Tyranids are, and one figure's out that one's buddy tastes just like the sandwiches raining from the sky, and is bigger, one will likely skip the sandwiches and consume one's buddy before anyone else can. But when you all have the same thoughts, secrets don't stay secret at all, and knowledge that buggies can and are being produced with the same flavor as Big Macs will spread throughout the hive instantaneously.

The first few series of Big Mac Buggies will fight back and some semi-major clashes between Tyranids could occur. Undoubtedly their ability to fight back will quickly become annoying and the Big Mac Buggies design would be altered to make them easy snacks. These Big Mac Buggies, made possible by an endless stream of Big Macs, would be the first known effort by Tyranids to use their genetic soup for the sake of having a tastier snack. Hey, if you have billions of tongues and a large portion of them are stuck with drug saturated, rotting, and small stuff, a few 'shots' of big mac would make it a bit more pleasurable and be well worth the effort. The Tyranids would be essentially recycling themselves to get more satisfaction from their continuous meal, this would further decrease the reliance on other races as food, although it would greatly increase demand for big macs to the point that several forge worlds may need to be devoted to them to keep the buggies supplied. The Tyranids as a whole will have more infighting, be very distract-able, and become noticeably weaker, all things which will make them suffer because as they are continually fought by other races.

Originally, the main problem that arose with implementing Operation: Big Macs for Buggies was the lack of possibility for McDonlds to exist in the 41st millennium with the eminent founding of The Emperor's Own Most Holy Fast Food Joint in conjunction with everything else that became his own and most holy at the founding of the Imperium. McDonalds and any other burger joint would have likely been purged in some crusade, and any scattered remnants would to be very well hidden to avoid detection by the Inquisituion. For competing with the Emperor is most defiantly heresy. This would make the mass production of Big Macs impossible, especially on the scale needed to effectively serve 'The Great Hunger'. However, another common happening is for the Imperium to claim things to be of its creation that in reality precede it. This seems a more likely case in this incident, as supported by this photo:

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The Emperor's Own Most Holy Fast Food Joint is none other than McImperium! This means that McDonalds managed to survive the Anarchy well enough that The Imperium found it of such quality that it merited claiming it as theirs. This likely took the form of throwing in some Aquilas, inscriptions, and heraldry, even turning Ronald with his most holy clown suit and red way crown of righteousness, into the Fast Food Cult's version of the Emperor, much like Omnissiah to the Machine Cult. Apart from that and perhaps pumping more chemicals into the products, and grox instead of beef in some cases or as an option, little would change. This allows for the possibility for the Big Mac to not only remain in existence, but in large enough quantities to supply the Imperium.

Another major problem I discovered while trying to figure out how a loyal officer of the Imperium might go about agreeing with, using, or spreading this plan without disgracing the Emperor's Most Holy Big Mac. Saying that a food product produced by the Emperor was so unhealthy it could wipe out the Tyranids would be a sure way to get yourself shot. The solution I came up for a response by an Emperor-botherer, like a Praetorian, to one who would have little interest in the God-Emperor stuff , like a Catachan. who has given my lecture/ suggests that The Big Mac could wipe out the tyranids, other than shouting blasphemy and drawing a weapon, is as follows:

"...and so, that is why the Big Mac would be the ultimate weapon for eliminating the Tyranids. See, I told you I've got somthing going on in here." Belisarius points to is big head.
"No Captain, I'm now quite convinced that you think with your stomach."
"What's wrong with a little gut instinct? Mine is telling me to stick to Joe's wild grox burger's and stay away from that mystery meat they serve."
"Careful, while we may not be privleged to know what they're truly made of, those hambergers are the sacred fruit of the God-Emperor's own, most holy fast food chain, discracing them is surely blasphemy. Although, I think I will have to agree with you."
"I'm sorry, could you repeat that, I'm not sure I heard you over the retro burners."
"I said You're right Captian, those blessed victules were clerly not intended for consumption by ordinary humans, but by the only Emperor's finest, namley: the Adaptas Astrates, who's superior digestive system would easily prevail against them. It is perhapse another of the scores of fatal clerical errors made by an overworked individual in those dimly lit halls of the Administratum that allowed for even the lowliest of hive world slums to partake in such a holy meal. Surley, if they are, as we have concluded, too holy for the consumption of the like of us, how much more unsuitable would it be for the Great Devourer to feast on it? You most certianly are correct that it would likley be tempted to do so, and not being in the sight of the God-Emperor their race would be doomed to face his awesome wrath."

The only problems now remaining are: Coming up with a reason to intentionally give big macs to the Nids, and the fact that this seems to be an easy solution, the Imperium never takes the easy way out. They prefer the near impossible.

Of course Big Mac are the first step, those sugar coated french fries with extra salt could be sprayed from fire hoses into hordes of Tyranids, as could mountain dew, and of course, the nuke of junk food, deep fried Twinkies smothered in powdered sugar, topped with whipped cream, hot fudge, and sprinkles would be very tasty and even more lethal than than the big macs. Of course, all of this would still be accompanied by the conventional weaponry, we're not gonna feed the buggies for free.

That's right, folks the secret to defeating the Nids is the Stereotypical American Diet.

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#368 From: Rory Lowings <rozc19@...>
Date: Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:44 am
Subject: Re: The Ultimate Weapon for Defeating the Tyranids
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I'm sure I had 3-5 of these posted around in various places, and more up to date/ better edited versions, oh well... I'll just fix it up good and propa'.

[IMG]http://www.warsound.com/modules/Forums/images/smiles/20.gif[/IMG]

The idea came to me during a discussion a while back on what foods the buggies like best with one of my buddies from Nation States who plays Tyranids. While the buggies may or may not actually eat the stuff they put into the genetic soup, they undoubtedly taste it. We determined that those plasticy drug saturated things in cans are not going to be very tasty, and would hardly be worth the effort. The rotting version with spiky things, they like even less, I assume, as these would likely cause very nasty indigestion. The smaller, less plasticy and less drug saturated version, offer a range of flavor from those ones with the breathing masks to the muscly ones that live in trees , and while not exceedingly tasty, there is always plenty to go around. For some reason or another, Tyranids prefer those smelly, greasy, green skinned things. My theory of an alternative food source was inspired by President George W. Bush who, in an address on Jib Jab about his decision to spend $50 billion to fight zombies, mentioned that we should give zombies "...Grade A American Beef, its good for 'em, they'd like it..." This seemed fairly sound logic, and the possible use of a similar strategy against the 'nids came to me shortly. This possibility was confirmed by the same nid player, who stated the buggies certainly like the food I came up with even  better than orks, when they can get it. Without further ado,  Ladies and Gentlemen I present to you: The Big Mac. [IMG]http://www.warsound.com/modules/Forums/images/smiles/19.gif[/IMG]

Most of the foes faced by the Tyranids, while they may not be as steadfast as the forces of the Imperium, will fight back and resist being eaten, with the possible exception of the Tau when they get into close combat, hehe.  If the buggies had an abundance of some even tastier source, that didn't have the ability to fight back, wouldn't they try to use it more when gathering stuff for their genetic soup? With that being said, I feel it is safe to assume that the Tyranids would prefer large quantities of Big Macs to a horde of Orks. The Big Mac is a very tasty option indeed, and it doesn't fight back at all. While the eating habits of the Tyranids, and their whole 'genetic recycling process', will greatly boost the 'side effects' of eating large quantities of big macs, Tyranids aren't exactly the type interested in nutrition facts as long as it [i]looks[/i] organic and would more likely just eat the tape than watch "Titan Size Me." The sugar content of Big Macs, in addition to its contribution to the flavor causes it to become addicting, and those who eat one, buggies included, will very likely go for more. Also, if anything, other than the wondrous Twinkie, could possibly come close to making a 'nid get fat, the Big Mac is it. So, with flavor, ease of obtainment, addiction, the need to gain some weight, (I mean, Tyranids all appear to be skin and bones but all they do is eat, A chubby buggie or even one with just a few 'extra pounds' could be considered a 'buggie of means' or just be really good at its job, and possibly attractive with the ladies but generally a rare and very good thing status wise) the Big Mac is clearly the Great Hunger's #1 choice when it comes to food. (I realize the buggies use a hive mind and are all 1 big creature, and some of my argument would require them to have individual thoughts, but it might still work...)

So we've given the Buggies an alternative food source, where's the catch? What's in it for us?

Well, one advantage for non-nids will be: with the additional source of organic stuff, the buggies would have a slightly decreased demand for the traditional sources (that's us).

The main function however are the effects of introducing the Big Mac to the buggies' 'genetic stew.' As we know, new buggies are produced from this stew, and naturally they retain qualities of whatever was recycled in that batch. Thus, the buggies produced by these batches will retain qualities of the Big Mac, namely: high fat content, high sugar content, messiness, greasiness, and tastiness. Being messy and greasy will increase ease in tracking Big Mac Buggies, and fat buggies will present bigger and slower targets. These Buggies will also taste and be addicting like the Big Macs.

Now we know that convincing the buggies to form a line...

 the big ones could use the drive through, and the smaller ones could be served from an armored version of one of those teller windows at the theater, and they'd be lining up like, out of town cause there'd be thousands of em, They will probably get impatient and try to fight to the front [IMG]http://www.warsound.com/modules/Forums/images/smiles/16.gif[/IMG]

...while an ideal scenario for our purpose, will never happen, they'd just storm the facility and eat everything inside. Instead, missile launchers, mortars, artillery pieces, and aircraft could be used to distribute the Big Macs more quickly and from a relatively safer distance. While the Big Macs are raining down on the buggies, many will be distracted by this free food falling from the sky and some may go into a frenzy to get their fill. (A full Tyranid, now that's hard to picture.) There is a good chance that during this chaos buggies may end up biting each other, out of impatience, jealousy, or by just accident and will likely get bitten back. The buggies will be injuring each other, and whats more, if the Hive Mind, like anyone, wants to play with its new toys as soon as possible, there is a chance Big Mac Buggies will be present during this chaos at some point. There is a good chance that some of them will be included in those bitten into, and when one is very hungry, as Tyranids are, and one figure's out that one's buddy tastes just like the sandwiches raining from the sky, and is bigger, one will likely skip the sandwiches and consume one's buddy before anyone else can. But when you all have the same thoughts, secrets don't stay secret at all, and knowledge that buggies can and are being produced with the same flavor as Big Macs will spread throughout the hive instantaneously.  

The first few series of Big Mac Buggies will fight back and some semi-major clashes between Tyranids could occur. Undoubtedly their ability to fight back will quickly become annoying and the Big Mac Buggies design would be altered to make them easy snacks. These Big Mac Buggies, made possible by an endless stream of Big Macs, would be the first known effort by Tyranids to use their genetic soup for the sake of having a tastier snack. Hey, if you have billions of tongues and a large portion of them are stuck with drug saturated, rotting, and small stuff, a few 'shots' of big mac would make it a bit more pleasurable and be well worth the effort. The Tyranids would be essentially  recycling themselves to get more satisfaction from their continuous meal, this would further decrease the reliance on other races as food, although it would greatly increase demand for big macs to the point that several forge worlds may need to be devoted to them to keep the buggies supplied. The Tyranids as a whole will have more infighting,  be very distract-able, and become noticeably weaker, all things which will make them suffer because as they are continually fought by other races.

Originally, the main problem that arose with implementing Operation: Big Macs for Buggies was the lack of possibility for McDonlds to exist in the 41st millennium with the eminent founding of The Emperor's Own Most Holy Fast Food Joint in conjunction with everything else that became his own and most holy at the founding of the Imperium. McDonalds and any other burger joint would have likely been purged in some crusade, and any scattered remnants would to be very well hidden to avoid detection by the Inquisituion. For competing with the Emperor is most defiantly heresy. This would make the mass production of Big Macs impossible, especially on the scale needed to effectively serve 'The Great Hunger'. However, another common happening is for the Imperium to claim things to be of its creation that in reality precede it. This seems a more likely case in this incident, as supported by this photo:

[IMG]http://alia.customer.netspace.net.au/ie2-4.jpg[/IMG]

The Emperor's Own Most Holy Fast Food Joint is none other than McImperium! This means that McDonalds managed to survive the Anarchy well enough that The Imperium found it of such quality that it merited claiming it as theirs. This likely took the form of throwing in some Aquilas, inscriptions, and heraldry, even turning Ronald with his most holy clown suit and red way crown of righteousness, into the Fast Food Cult's version of the Emperor, much like Omnissiah to the Machine Cult. Apart from that and perhaps pumping more chemicals into the products, and grox instead of beef in some cases or as an option, little would change. This allows for the possibility for the Big Mac to not only remain in existence, but in large enough quantities to supply the Imperium.

Another major problem I discovered while trying to figure out how a loyal officer of the Imperium might go about agreeing with, using, or spreading this plan without disgracing the Emperor's Most Holy Big Mac. Saying that a food product produced by the Emperor was so unhealthy it could wipe out the Tyranids would be a sure way to get yourself shot. The solution I came up for a response by an Emperor-botherer, like a Praetorian, to one who would have little interest in the God-Emperor stuff , like a Catachan. who has given my lecture/ suggests that The Big Mac could wipe out the tyranids, other than shouting blasphemy and drawing a weapon, is as follows:

"...and so, that is why the Big Mac would be the ultimate weapon for eliminating the Tyranids. See, I told you I've got somthing going on in here." Belisarius points to is big head.
"No Captain, I'm now quite convinced that you think with your stomach."
"What's wrong with a little gut instinct? Mine is telling me to stick to Joe's wild grox burger's and stay away from that mystery meat they serve."
"Careful, while we may not be privleged to know what they're truly made of, those hambergers are the sacred fruit of the God-Emperor's own, most holy fast food chain, discracing them is surely blasphemy. Although, I think I will have to agree with you."
"I'm sorry, could you repeat that, I'm not sure I heard you over the retro burners."
"I said You're right Captian, those blessed victules were clerly not intended for consumption by ordinary humans, but by the only Emperor's finest, namley: the Adaptas Astrates, who's superior digestive system would easily prevail against them. It is perhapse another of the scores of fatal clerical errors made by an overworked individual in those dimly lit halls of the Administratum that allowed for even the lowliest of hive world slums to partake in such a holy meal. Surley, if they are, as we have concluded, too holy for the consumption of the like of us, how much more unsuitable would it be for the Great Devourer to feast on it? You most certianly are correct that it would likley be tempted to do so, and not being in the sight of the God-Emperor their race would be doomed to face his awesome wrath."

The only problems now remaining are: Coming up with a reason to intentionally give big macs to the Nids, and the fact that this seems to be an easy solution, the Imperium never takes the easy way out. They prefer the near impossible.

Of course Big Mac are the first step, those sugar coated french fries with extra salt could be sprayed from fire hoses into hordes of Tyranids, as could mountain dew, and of course, the nuke of junk food, deep fried Twinkies smothered in powdered sugar, topped with whipped cream, hot fudge, and sprinkles would be very tasty and even more lethal than than the big macs. Of course, all of this would still be accompanied by the conventional weaponry, we're not gonna feed the buggies for free.

That's right, folks the secret to defeating the Nids is the Stereotypical American Diet.

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2: Civis britannicus sum

#367 From: Ben Pilloud <ben.pilloud@...>
Date: Thu Sep 10, 2009 3:39 am
Subject: The Ultimate Weapon for Defeating the Tyranids
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I'm sure I had 3-5 of these posted around in various places, and more up to date/ better edited versions, oh well... I'll just fix it up good and propa'.

[IMG]http://www.warsound.com/modules/Forums/images/smiles/20.gif[/IMG]

The idea came to me during a discussion a while back on what foods the buggies like best with one of my buddies from Nation States who plays Tyranids. While the buggies may or may not actually eat the stuff they put into the genetic soup, they undoubtedly taste it. We determined that those plasticy drug saturated things in cans are not going to be very tasty, and would hardly be worth the effort. The rotting version with spiky things, they like even less, I assume, as these would likely cause very nasty indigestion. The smaller, less plasticy and less drug saturated version, offer a range of flavor from those ones with the breathing masks to the muscly ones that live in trees , and while not exceedingly tasty, there is always plenty to go around. For some reason or another, Tyranids prefer those smelly, greasy, green skinned things. My theory of an alternative food source was inspired by President George W. Bush who, in an address on Jib Jab about his decision to spend $50 billion to fight zombies, mentioned that we should give zombies "...Grade A American Beef, its good for 'em, they'd like it..." This seemed fairly sound logic, and the possible use of a similar strategy against the 'nids came to me shortly. This possibility was confirmed by the same nid player, who stated the buggies certainly like the food I came up with even  better than orks, when they can get it. Without further ado,  Ladies and Gentlemen I present to you: The Big Mac. [IMG]http://www.warsound.com/modules/Forums/images/smiles/19.gif[/IMG]

Most of the foes faced by the Tyranids, while they may not be as steadfast as the forces of the Imperium, will fight back and resist being eaten, with the possible exception of the Tau when they get into close combat, hehe.  If the buggies had an abundance of some even tastier source, that didn't have the ability to fight back, wouldn't they try to use it more when gathering stuff for their genetic soup? With that being said, I feel it is safe to assume that the Tyranids would prefer large quantities of Big Macs to a horde of Orks. The Big Mac is a very tasty option indeed, and it doesn't fight back at all. While the eating habits of the Tyranids, and their whole 'genetic recycling process', will greatly boost the 'side effects' of eating large quantities of big macs, Tyranids aren't exactly the type interested in nutrition facts as long as it [i]looks[/i] organic and would more likely just eat the tape than watch "Titan Size Me." The sugar content of Big Macs, in addition to its contribution to the flavor causes it to become addicting, and those who eat one, buggies included, will very likely go for more. Also, if anything, other than the wondrous Twinkie, could possibly come close to making a 'nid get fat, the Big Mac is it. So, with flavor, ease of obtainment, addiction, the need to gain some weight, (I mean, Tyranids all appear to be skin and bones but all they do is eat, A chubby buggie or even one with just a few 'extra pounds' could be considered a 'buggie of means' or just be really good at its job, and possibly attractive with the ladies but generally a rare and very good thing status wise) the Big Mac is clearly the Great Hunger's #1 choice when it comes to food. (I realize the buggies use a hive mind and are all 1 big creature, and some of my argument would require them to have individual thoughts, but it might still work...)

So we've given the Buggies an alternative food source, where's the catch? What's in it for us?

Well, one advantage for non-nids will be: with the additional source of organic stuff, the buggies would have a slightly decreased demand for the traditional sources (that's us).

The main function however are the effects of introducing the Big Mac to the buggies' 'genetic stew.' As we know, new buggies are produced from this stew, and naturally they retain qualities of whatever was recycled in that batch. Thus, the buggies produced by these batches will retain qualities of the Big Mac, namely: high fat content, high sugar content, messiness, greasiness, and tastiness. Being messy and greasy will increase ease in tracking Big Mac Buggies, and fat buggies will present bigger and slower targets. These Buggies will also taste and be addicting like the Big Macs.

Now we know that convincing the buggies to form a line...

 the big ones could use the drive through, and the smaller ones could be served from an armored version of one of those teller windows at the theater, and they'd be lining up like, out of town cause there'd be thousands of em, They will probably get impatient and try to fight to the front [IMG]http://www.warsound.com/modules/Forums/images/smiles/16.gif[/IMG]

...while an ideal scenario for our purpose, will never happen, they'd just storm the facility and eat everything inside. Instead, missile launchers, mortars, artillery pieces, and aircraft could be used to distribute the Big Macs more quickly and from a relatively safer distance. While the Big Macs are raining down on the buggies, many will be distracted by this free food falling from the sky and some may go into a frenzy to get their fill. (A full Tyranid, now that's hard to picture.) There is a good chance that during this chaos buggies may end up biting each other, out of impatience, jealousy, or by just accident and will likely get bitten back. The buggies will be injuring each other, and whats more, if the Hive Mind, like anyone, wants to play with its new toys as soon as possible, there is a chance Big Mac Buggies will be present during this chaos at some point. There is a good chance that some of them will be included in those bitten into, and when one is very hungry, as Tyranids are, and one figure's out that one's buddy tastes just like the sandwiches raining from the sky, and is bigger, one will likely skip the sandwiches and consume one's buddy before anyone else can. But when you all have the same thoughts, secrets don't stay secret at all, and knowledge that buggies can and are being produced with the same flavor as Big Macs will spread throughout the hive instantaneously.  

The first few series of Big Mac Buggies will fight back and some semi-major clashes between Tyranids could occur. Undoubtedly their ability to fight back will quickly become annoying and the Big Mac Buggies design would be altered to make them easy snacks. These Big Mac Buggies, made possible by an endless stream of Big Macs, would be the first known effort by Tyranids to use their genetic soup for the sake of having a tastier snack. Hey, if you have billions of tongues and a large portion of them are stuck with drug saturated, rotting, and small stuff, a few 'shots' of big mac would make it a bit more pleasurable and be well worth the effort. The Tyranids would be essentially  recycling themselves to get more satisfaction from their continuous meal, this would further decrease the reliance on other races as food, although it would greatly increase demand for big macs to the point that several forge worlds may need to be devoted to them to keep the buggies supplied. The Tyranids as a whole will have more infighting,  be very distract-able, and become noticeably weaker, all things which will make them suffer because as they are continually fought by other races.

Originally, the main problem that arose with implementing Operation: Big Macs for Buggies was the lack of possibility for McDonlds to exist in the 41st millennium with the eminent founding of The Emperor's Own Most Holy Fast Food Joint in conjunction with everything else that became his own and most holy at the founding of the Imperium. McDonalds and any other burger joint would have likely been purged in some crusade, and any scattered remnants would to be very well hidden to avoid detection by the Inquisituion. For competing with the Emperor is most defiantly heresy. This would make the mass production of Big Macs impossible, especially on the scale needed to effectively serve 'The Great Hunger'. However, another common happening is for the Imperium to claim things to be of its creation that in reality precede it. This seems a more likely case in this incident, as supported by this photo:

[IMG]http://alia.customer.netspace.net.au/ie2-4.jpg[/IMG]

The Emperor's Own Most Holy Fast Food Joint is none other than McImperium! This means that McDonalds managed to survive the Anarchy well enough that The Imperium found it of such quality that it merited claiming it as theirs. This likely took the form of throwing in some Aquilas, inscriptions, and heraldry, even turning Ronald with his most holy clown suit and red way crown of righteousness, into the Fast Food Cult's version of the Emperor, much like Omnissiah to the Machine Cult. Apart from that and perhaps pumping more chemicals into the products, and grox instead of beef in some cases or as an option, little would change. This allows for the possibility for the Big Mac to not only remain in existence, but in large enough quantities to supply the Imperium.

Another major problem I discovered while trying to figure out how a loyal officer of the Imperium might go about agreeing with, using, or spreading this plan without disgracing the Emperor's Most Holy Big Mac. Saying that a food product produced by the Emperor was so unhealthy it could wipe out the Tyranids would be a sure way to get yourself shot. The solution I came up for a response by an Emperor-botherer, like a Praetorian, to one who would have little interest in the God-Emperor stuff , like a Catachan. who has given my lecture/ suggests that The Big Mac could wipe out the tyranids, other than shouting blasphemy and drawing a weapon, is as follows:

"...and so, that is why the Big Mac would be the ultimate weapon for eliminating the Tyranids. See, I told you I've got somthing going on in here." Belisarius points to is big head.
"No Captain, I'm now quite convinced that you think with your stomach."
"What's wrong with a little gut instinct? Mine is telling me to stick to Joe's wild grox burger's and stay away from that mystery meat they serve."
"Careful, while we may not be privleged to know what they're truly made of, those hambergers are the sacred fruit of the God-Emperor's own, most holy fast food chain, discracing them is surely blasphemy. Although, I think I will have to agree with you."
"I'm sorry, could you repeat that, I'm not sure I heard you over the retro burners."
"I said You're right Captian, those blessed victules were clerly not intended for consumption by ordinary humans, but by the only Emperor's finest, namley: the Adaptas Astrates, who's superior digestive system would easily prevail against them. It is perhapse another of the scores of fatal clerical errors made by an overworked individual in those dimly lit halls of the Administratum that allowed for even the lowliest of hive world slums to partake in such a holy meal. Surley, if they are, as we have concluded, too holy for the consumption of the like of us, how much more unsuitable would it be for the Great Devourer to feast on it? You most certianly are correct that it would likley be tempted to do so, and not being in the sight of the God-Emperor their race would be doomed to face his awesome wrath."

The only problems now remaining are: Coming up with a reason to intentionally give big macs to the Nids, and the fact that this seems to be an easy solution, the Imperium never takes the easy way out. They prefer the near impossible.

Of course Big Mac are the first step, those sugar coated french fries with extra salt could be sprayed from fire hoses into hordes of Tyranids, as could mountain dew, and of course, the nuke of junk food, deep fried Twinkies smothered in powdered sugar, topped with whipped cream, hot fudge, and sprinkles would be very tasty and even more lethal than than the big macs. Of course, all of this would still be accompanied by the conventional weaponry, we're not gonna feed the buggies for free.

That's right, folks the secret to defeating the Nids is the Stereotypical American Diet.

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#366 From: Ben Pilloud <ben.pilloud@...>
Date: Sun Aug 2, 2009 4:27 am
Subject: Re: Re: Wait until you see the whites of their eyes
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I'm working at Black Mountain, 3/4 of a mile from Canada, near Maple Falls, WA.

Never take a class of 17 for wilderness survival, it doesn't work. Those 5-7 survival situations usually take an entire class period to discuss. It took one and a half. So, despite devoting an entire, or maybe half, of a 50 minute period plus the 10 minute transition period to lighting the 3 fires, and in the middle of a burn ban mind you, most of the class failed to start a fire due to lack of enough starters, individual instruction, and time. But, there wasn't much I could have done beyond further encouraging the use of their free time for fire lighting.

Speaking of wilderness survival, our survival night last week was scheduled for 9:00 Thursday, when the OA campfire ends on the schedule. Well it went till 9:30. Towards the end I was getting out of regalia and I could hear my name being called. As soon as I had my uniform back on I headed over. The area we use is dominated by a big steep hill with loose dirt. A scoutmaster was concerned about the hill being unsafe, and as I later learned one of his scouts managed to scrape his knee on the hill, and wanted us to cancel the survival night. The program director showed up and we had a brief chat with the scoutmaster that I had been running the survival night since last year, the Shelters themselves were on flat ground, and we had been using that location for a very, very long time with no serious injuries. Then as we went to survey the area, at which point I was going to show the easier/ more safe route for traveling on the hill and that the shelters were perfectly safe, the program director asked the scoutmaster if he would be satisfied but he decided to be stubborn. The survival night was canceled just for him, and defeating the purpose of this action I allowed the scouts to retrieve gear from their shelters. For 20 minutes during my first period (which caused it to run into 2nd period and made me unable to get the student in that period caught up), and during lunch the I went to meetings with the scoutmasters, commissioner, program director, and camp director to plan and re-plan a solution. We had finally settled upon leaving it to individual scoutmasters to decide if their scouts could use the hill. Those who didn't want to (which was just the one) would be given the option to take the materials from their shelter, put them in a truck donated by one of the assistant scoutmasters, and then re-build it on the platforms in one of the sites we aren't using this year. the scoutmaster drove over, but within the 2 hours allotted for the migration, no one took the offer. Minutes before I returned to the area from the closing campfire, the scoutmaster who caused all the trouble decided that his troop needed their sleep and wouldn't let them do it at all. Because of him, one of my camping students suffered, and a handful of people who were taking the class/ wanted to sleep out for fun couldn't because they had to leave early.

What this scout master must not have realized is that loose dirt is very comfortable; several campers not taking the class came for fun, and about 5 staff members (not including myself and my usual assistant who hasn't actually gotten the merit badge yet) came to escape the heat and glowing exit signs of the staff lodge. Many mentioned it was the best they had slept all season, one liked it better then his own bed.

Well I need to wake up tomarrow, and an extra hour and a half of sleep could do me good.

-Ben

--- On Sun, 7/19/09, yarnspiner <jnbear@...> wrote:

From: yarnspiner <jnbear@...>
Subject: [praetorian-IG] Re: Wait until you see the whites of their eyes
To: praetorian-IG@...
Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 7:17 PM

 

Ben,

What camp do you work at? It's good to another praetorian commander who works at scout!

I am at Camp Brinkley, 12 miles north of Monroe, Wa. Your phrasing of what takes place in Scoutcraft sounds like something used at another camp near me, which I used to work at.

Jerry "Yarnspiner"

--- In praetorian-IG@ yahoogroups. co.uk, Ben Pilloud <ben.pilloud@ ...> wrote:
>
> Glad to here you've got it under control.
>
> Speaking of white eyes, got any ideas for painting them? As epic as it would be to have an entire army blink in unison/ fight with their eyes closed, it would be a bit more real looking for at least some to have eyes open.
>
> I've tried that toothpick method, but it wasn't quite right... I just had an Idea! I discovered during staff week that when I use a magnifying glass I can write much smaller. So I could try doing the same with painting eyes, and could use a sewing needle for a finer tip.
>
> Got a chance to come home for the weekend. The camp has internet and wifi, but I don't have a laptop/ the urge to try borrowing one or one of the office computers. The computer in and the connection to the staff lodge need work before that will be usable as a portal to the interweb. 
>
> Anyway, First week was a blast. Sure, the food servings were a bit small, 2/3 of the steel wool I bought is not fine enough to be set on fire with just a 9 volt battery, we bombed a few songs, and through lack of preparation didn't know the knew camp song and the OA Brotherhood ceremony didn't turn out so well; but even with all of that it was still a very awesome week. So much so that the executives who inspected us on Thursday, previously having no plans for the continuation of the camp for more than another year, were so impressed they left with plans for 3 to 5 and even more years.
>
> Oh yeah, guess I never told you guys I work at a scout camp. I work in Scout Craft/ Scoot Craft/ The study of living and non living things and how they combust! (Although we also do lashings, cooking, fishing, orienteering, survival skills, and camping; we don't really get to burn living things exept the occassional bug or human limb.) Its a cool job, sure my wages (which allcome from donations) are so low I'm considered a subsidised volunteer rather than a salaried employee, and I work from 6:00 am to a little before or after 11:00 PM (With the exception of Thursday when I supervise the wilderness survival night and am on the job all night, and friday until I finish filling out blue cards), with just a 24 hour break starting noon Saturday minus any time needed for clean up/ check out after that. But I'm really getting paid and free room and board to play in the greatest place on Earth (Suck it up Disenyland!) , while being looked up to/ viewed as a
> 'postage stamp' image of the BSA by scores of scouts. All of whom payed hundreds of dollers to be there, and who, if I do my job right, will not only get their money's worth but will remember the camp, the staff, including me, and will be impacted for the better for the rest of their lives.
>
> Well I've got more emails to read and some laundry to do.
>
> Ben



#365 From: "johnhoskin38" <johnhoskin38@...>
Date: Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:29 pm
Subject: Re: Wait until you see the whites of their eyes
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Ref painting eyes

first of all when you are 5ft off the gaming table no one really sees the whole
blinking at the same time issue.  For display models i tend to paint the eye
black first then add a white circle and then paint a very fine line of black or
dark blue.  It's abit fiddly and i only do it for display pieces.

Glad all is cool

John

#364 From: "Ivan" <i_parramore@...>
Date: Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:10 am
Subject: Fuzzy Praetorians
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#363 From: Jan Niehues <limes@...>
Date: Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:45 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Where can I get models?
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I've also seen Mordians being sold on ebay that were actually
Praetorians. They went for far less than is usual now for Praetorians -
still not cheap, but at least somewhat within reach of 'ordinay folks'.

It might also pay to not only look for mislabeled auctions but also for
misspelled ones. From "Impeirial Gourds" to "Prettarians", anything
seems to go ;)...

Jan



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#362 From: "Les" <ghargh6969@...>
Date: Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:29 pm
Subject: Re: Wait until you see the whites of their eyes
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I used to volunteer at Cub Scout camp- Always wore my tan pith helemt so the
kids could find me at a distance. I was known as "JUngle guy" or "Jumanji guy" 
It was at the camp with no shade and 103 degree temps I elarned that dunking the
hat in water really DOES work to cool you off!

Les

#361 From: "yarnspiner" <jnbear@...>
Date: Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:17 am
Subject: Re: Wait until you see the whites of their eyes
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Ben,

What camp do you work at? It's good to another praetorian commander who works at
scout!

I am at Camp Brinkley, 12 miles north of Monroe, Wa. Your phrasing of what takes
place in Scoutcraft sounds like something used at another camp near me, which I
used to work at.

Jerry "Yarnspiner"

--- In praetorian-IG@..., Ben Pilloud <ben.pilloud@...> wrote:
>
> Glad to here you've got it under control.
>
> Speaking of white eyes, got any ideas for painting them? As epic as it would
be to have an entire army blink in unison/ fight with their eyes closed, it
would be a bit more real looking for at least some to have eyes open.
>
> I've tried that toothpick method, but it wasn't quite right... I just had an
Idea! I discovered during staff week that when I use a magnifying glass I can
write much smaller. So I could try doing the same with painting eyes, and could
use a sewing needle for a finer tip.
>
> Got a chance to come home for the weekend. The camp has internet and wifi, but
I don't have a laptop/ the urge to try borrowing one or one of the office
computers. The computer in and the connection to the staff lodge need work
before that will be usable as a portal to the interweb. 
>
> Anyway, First week was a blast. Sure, the food servings were a bit small, 2/3
of the steel wool I bought is not fine enough to be set on fire with just a 9
volt battery, we bombed a few songs, and through lack of preparation didn't know
the knew camp song and the OA Brotherhood ceremony didn't turn out so well; but
even with all of that it was still a very awesome week. So much so that the
executives who inspected us on Thursday, previously having no plans for the
continuation of the camp for more than another year, were so impressed they left
with plans for 3 to 5 and even more years.
>
> Oh yeah, guess I never told you guys I work at a scout camp. I work in Scout
Craft/ Scoot Craft/ The study of living and non living things and how they
combust! (Although we also do lashings, cooking, fishing, orienteering, survival
skills, and camping; we don't really get to burn living things exept the
occassional bug or human limb.) Its a cool job, sure my wages (which allcome
from donations) are so low I'm considered a subsidised volunteer rather than a
salaried employee, and I work from 6:00 am to a little before or after 11:00 PM
(With the exception of Thursday when I supervise the wilderness survival night
and am on the job all night, and friday until I finish filling out blue cards),
with just a 24 hour break starting noon Saturday minus any time needed for clean
up/ check out after that. But I'm really getting paid and free room and board to
play in the greatest place on Earth (Suck it up Disenyland!), while being looked
up to/ viewed as a
>  'postage stamp' image of the BSA by scores of scouts. All of whom payed
hundreds of dollers to be there, and who, if I do my job right, will not only
get their money's worth but will remember the camp, the staff, including me, and
will be impacted for the better for the rest of their lives.
>
> Well I've got more emails to read and some laundry to do.
>
> Ben

#360 From: Ben Pilloud <ben.pilloud@...>
Date: Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:05 am
Subject: Re: Wait until you see the whites of their eyes
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Glad to here you've got it under control.

Speaking of white eyes, got any ideas for painting them? As epic as it would be to have an entire army blink in unison/ fight with their eyes closed, it would be a bit more real looking for at least some to have eyes open.

I've tried that toothpick method, but it wasn't quite right... I just had an Idea! I discovered during staff week that when I use a magnifying glass I can write much smaller. So I could try doing the same with painting eyes, and could use a sewing needle for a finer tip.

Got a chance to come home for the weekend. The camp has internet and wifi, but I don't have a laptop/ the urge to try borrowing one or one of the office computers. The computer in and the connection to the staff lodge need work before that will be usable as a portal to the interweb. 

Anyway, First week was a blast. Sure, the food servings were a bit small, 2/3 of the steel wool I bought is not fine enough to be set on fire with just a 9 volt battery, we bombed a few songs, and through lack of preparation didn't know the knew camp song and the OA Brotherhood ceremony didn't turn out so well; but even with all of that it was still a very awesome week. So much so that the executives who inspected us on Thursday, previously having no plans for the continuation of the camp for more than another year, were so impressed they left with plans for 3 to 5 and even more years.

Oh yeah, guess I never told you guys I work at a scout camp. I work in Scout Craft/ Scoot Craft/ The study of living and non living things and how they combust! (Although we also do lashings, cooking, fishing, orienteering, survival skills, and camping; we don't really get to burn living things exept the occassional bug or human limb.) Its a cool job, sure my wages (which allcome from donations) are so low I'm considered a subsidised volunteer rather than a salaried employee, and I work from 6:00 am to a little before or after 11:00 PM (With the exception of Thursday when I supervise the wilderness survival night and am on the job all night, and friday until I finish filling out blue cards), with just a 24 hour break starting noon Saturday minus any time needed for clean up/ check out after that. But I'm really getting paid and free room and board to play in the greatest place on Earth (Suck it up Disenyland!), while being looked up to/ viewed as a 'postage stamp' image of the BSA by scores of scouts. All of whom payed hundreds of dollers to be there, and who, if I do my job right, will not only get their money's worth but will remember the camp, the staff, including me, and will be impacted for the better for the rest of their lives.

Well I've got more emails to read and some laundry to do.

Ben


--- On Sun, 7/12/09, John Hoskin <johnhoskin38@...> wrote:

From: John Hoskin <johnhoskin38@...>
Subject: Re: [praetorian-IG] Wait until you see the whites of their eyes
To: praetorian-IG@...
Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009, 10:12 AM

Thanks Ben 

I have a spare cadian missile launcher so no probs there, I have a Mordian that will donate the arm and I can convert the other to be holding binoculars or his lunch box.  I believe that that one of the Colonels has produced a tutorial on sculpting so will also try that.  Have a good 4 weeks.

cheers 

John

--- On Sun, 7/12/09, Ben Pilloud <ben.pilloud@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Ben Pilloud <ben.pilloud@ yahoo..com>
Subject: Re: [praetorian- IG] Wait until you see the whites of their eyes
To: praetorian-IG@ yahoogroups. co.uk
Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009, 3:36 AM

I've got a few extra missile launchers and missile launcher arms, however they are Catachan arms I'm going to be away from home and the internet for then next 4 weeks.

If that won't be a problem I'm sure we could make arrangements to get what you need shipped to you when I get back.

On a more realistic note, Missile launcher crews are also armed with lasguns. If you have some extra lasgun arms simply model the crewman as if he had gone for his lasgun and sling the missile launcer on his back. He can still use the missile launcher under the same principle that he could crouch or go to ground while modeled as standing.


--- On Sat, 7/11/09, johnhoskin38 <johnhoskin38@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: johnhoskin38 <johnhoskin38@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [praetorian- IG] Wait until you see the whites of their eyes
To: praetorian-IG@ yahoogroups. co.uk
Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 1:18 PM

Hi all

Thanks for the messages regarding extra troops, have managed to source the missing 122nd Rifles. However, damn the Imperial Navy they have gone and lost a missile launcher arm. Can anyone help?

Colonel Fredricks 122nd (acting)





#359 From: John Hoskin <johnhoskin38@...>
Date: Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:12 pm
Subject: Re: Wait until you see the whites of their eyes
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Thanks Ben 

I have a spare cadian missile launcher so no probs there, I have a Mordian that will donate the arm and I can convert the other to be holding binoculars or his lunch box.  I believe that that one of the Colonels has produced a tutorial on sculpting so will also try that.  Have a good 4 weeks.

cheers 

John

--- On Sun, 7/12/09, Ben Pilloud <ben.pilloud@...> wrote:

From: Ben Pilloud <ben.pilloud@...>
Subject: Re: [praetorian-IG] Wait until you see the whites of their eyes
To: praetorian-IG@...
Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009, 3:36 AM

I've got a few extra missile launchers and missile launcher arms, however they are Catachan arms I'm going to be away from home and the internet for then next 4 weeks.

If that won't be a problem I'm sure we could make arrangements to get what you need shipped to you when I get back.

On a more realistic note, Missile launcher crews are also armed with lasguns. If you have some extra lasgun arms simply model the crewman as if he had gone for his lasgun and sling the missile launcer on his back. He can still use the missile launcher under the same principle that he could crouch or go to ground while modeled as standing.


--- On Sat, 7/11/09, johnhoskin38 <johnhoskin38@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: johnhoskin38 <johnhoskin38@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [praetorian- IG] Wait until you see the whites of their eyes
To: praetorian-IG@ yahoogroups. co.uk
Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 1:18 PM

Hi all

Thanks for the messages regarding extra troops, have managed to source the missing 122nd Rifles. However, damn the Imperial Navy they have gone and lost a missile launcher arm. Can anyone help?

Colonel Fredricks 122nd (acting)




#358 From: Ben Pilloud <ben.pilloud@...>
Date: Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:36 am
Subject: Re: Wait until you see the whites of their eyes
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I've got a few extra missile launchers and missile launcher arms, however they are Catachan arms I'm going to be away from home and the internet for then next 4 weeks.

If that won't be a problem I'm sure we could make arrangements to get what you need shipped to you when I get back.

On a more realistic note, Missile launcher crews are also armed with lasguns. If you have some extra lasgun arms simply model the crewman as if he had gone for his lasgun and sling the missile launcer on his back. He can still use the missile launcher under the same principle that he could crouch or go to ground while modeled as standing.


--- On Sat, 7/11/09, johnhoskin38 <johnhoskin38@...> wrote:

From: johnhoskin38 <johnhoskin38@...>
Subject: [praetorian-IG] Wait until you see the whites of their eyes
To: praetorian-IG@...
Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 1:18 PM

Hi all

Thanks for the messages regarding extra troops, have managed to source the missing 122nd Rifles. However, damn the Imperial Navy they have gone and lost a missile launcher arm. Can anyone help?

Colonel Fredricks 122nd (acting)



#357 From: "johnhoskin38" <johnhoskin38@...>
Date: Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:18 pm
Subject: Wait until you see the whites of their eyes
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Hi all

Thanks for the messages regarding extra troops, have managed to source the
missing 122nd Rifles.  However, damn the Imperial Navy they have gone and lost a
missile launcher arm.  Can anyone help?

Colonel Fredricks 122nd (acting)

#356 From: "Citizen Dave" <TrooperPX@...>
Date: Mon Jul 6, 2009 12:32 am
Subject: Re: Praetorian Cavalry
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Hey Les,

Thought I'd join and stop by!



Yours,
Citizen Dave


--- In praetorian-IG@..., "Les" <ghargh6969@...> wrote:
>
> I just got the coolest resin bits and had to share with the other Pith-Helmet
fans!
>
> I found this guy on Work in Progress. He was billing these as Zulu War and
Boer war cavalry bits  but once you saw the pictures you KNEW they were
praetorians as true Zulu war uniforms did not have an Imperial eagle on the
tunic or shoulder boards with fringe!
>
> http://z11.invisionfree.com/Work_In_Progress/index.php?showtopic=15069
>
> I ordered 10. I got them 4 days after sending my pay pal payment. Only 1 piece
had a bubble and that was easily remedied with a dot of glue.
>
>  They fit perfectly on the horses made for the Empire Pistoliers. I did not
order any arms as I had enough spares. He does not have pith helmet heads YET
but he says many folks are using the ones from the plastic colonials. He is
workign with a sculptor to get some "lancer" arms made. Right now he has gun and
special weapon arms which when combined with Cadian legs would make stunning
Praetorian Infantry.
>
> Also for heads, Ramshackle Games makes Pith helmets with gas masks (I own some
they are cool! And their customer service is GREAT! They had to hold my order
due to a molding back log so they sent me extra bits as way of I am sorry
offering!)
>
http://shop.ramshacklegames.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&prod\
ucts_id=213
>
> They also make turban heads which would make cool Bengal Lancer auxillery or
perhaps some Ghurka type troops to fight alongside the Praetorians
>
>
http://shop.ramshacklegames.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&prod\
ucts_id=212
>
> Hope this helps stir the creative juices
>

#355 From: "Les" <ghargh6969@...>
Date: Sat Jul 4, 2009 5:06 am
Subject: Re: Praetorian Cavalry
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Well when you get the heads done give us a heads up- I need a couple score of
them!

I had asked the guy who sold them if I could pass on his info here, so I hope I
did not break any forum rules.
I wanted people to ahve a go at them before the evil empire decided to give him
a  cease and desist order  ("We will NOT make any good cavalry for 40K Imp
Guard, but we do not want anyone else doing so either!")

  I just LOVE cavalry and my attempts at converting other legs were less than
satisfactory, and I hate that the only choice we have is mongol hordes for IG
cavalry. I ahve some of the older fellows witht eh Boer war/Aussie looking hats,
but the horses are the first GW plastics and are doofy!

#354 From: "Rob" <razorxs1984@...>
Date: Fri Jul 3, 2009 5:31 pm
Subject: Re: Praetorian Cavalry
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Well of course they were made for Praetorians, I'm the Sculptor ;)

I'm not the sculptor involved in any specific additional parts for these, though
I do have an improved version in mind to be done at some point which will be
complete models - in the short term I'm about to start sculpting Pith Helmetted
heads which are scaled to fit Heroic 28mm models... such as plastic Cadians ;)

--- In praetorian-IG@..., "Les" <ghargh6969@...> wrote:
>
> I just got the coolest resin bits and had to share with the other Pith-Helmet
fans!
>
> I found this guy on Work in Progress. He was billing these as Zulu War and
Boer war cavalry bits  but once you saw the pictures you KNEW they were
praetorians as true Zulu war uniforms did not have an Imperial eagle on the
tunic or shoulder boards with fringe!
>
> http://z11.invisionfree.com/Work_In_Progress/index.php?showtopic=15069
>
> I ordered 10. I got them 4 days after sending my pay pal payment. Only 1 piece
had a bubble and that was easily remedied with a dot of glue.
>
>  They fit perfectly on the horses made for the Empire Pistoliers. I did not
order any arms as I had enough spares. He does not have pith helmet heads YET
but he says many folks are using the ones from the plastic colonials. He is
workign with a sculptor to get some "lancer" arms made. Right now he has gun and
special weapon arms which when combined with Cadian legs would make stunning
Praetorian Infantry.
>
> Also for heads, Ramshackle Games makes Pith helmets with gas masks (I own some
they are cool! And their customer service is GREAT! They had to hold my order
due to a molding back log so they sent me extra bits as way of I am sorry
offering!)
>
http://shop.ramshacklegames.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&prod\
ucts_id=213
>
> They also make turban heads which would make cool Bengal Lancer auxillery or
perhaps some Ghurka type troops to fight alongside the Praetorians
>
>
http://shop.ramshacklegames.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&prod\
ucts_id=212
>
> Hope this helps stir the creative juices
>

#353 From: "Les" <ghargh6969@...>
Date: Fri Jul 3, 2009 12:30 am
Subject: Praetorian Cavalry
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I just got the coolest resin bits and had to share with the other Pith-Helmet
fans!

I found this guy on Work in Progress. He was billing these as Zulu War and Boer
war cavalry bits  but once you saw the pictures you KNEW they were praetorians
as true Zulu war uniforms did not have an Imperial eagle on the tunic or
shoulder boards with fringe!

http://z11.invisionfree.com/Work_In_Progress/index.php?showtopic=15069

I ordered 10. I got them 4 days after sending my pay pal payment. Only 1 piece
had a bubble and that was easily remedied with a dot of glue.

  They fit perfectly on the horses made for the Empire Pistoliers. I did not
order any arms as I had enough spares. He does not have pith helmet heads YET
but he says many folks are using the ones from the plastic colonials. He is
workign with a sculptor to get some "lancer" arms made. Right now he has gun and
special weapon arms which when combined with Cadian legs would make stunning
Praetorian Infantry.

Also for heads, Ramshackle Games makes Pith helmets with gas masks (I own some
they are cool! And their customer service is GREAT! They had to hold my order
due to a molding back log so they sent me extra bits as way of I am sorry
offering!)
http://shop.ramshacklegames.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&prod\
ucts_id=213

They also make turban heads which would make cool Bengal Lancer auxillery or
perhaps some Ghurka type troops to fight alongside the Praetorians

http://shop.ramshacklegames.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&prod\
ucts_id=212

Hope this helps stir the creative juices

#352 From: "johnhoskin38" <johnhoskin38@...>
Date: Thu Jul 2, 2009 11:26 pm
Subject: Re: Where can I get models?
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Thank you sir for the information

I will be looking into those mini companies with an eye on a few mordian
conversions as I have a few left over from the Mordian Dragoons (Blue
Tunic,White hat and trousers) which are a nice accord with the Praetorian
regiment that I am compyling.

Highest regards

Colonel Fredricks 122nd Praetorian Rifles

#351 From: "martinisword9" <martinisword9@...>
Date: Wed Jul 1, 2009 9:50 am
Subject: Re: 122nd Praetorian Rifles
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The plastic British colonials convert easily to Praetorians and you can purchase bits quite inexpensively on line. Plus, the cost of these minis is less then you will spend on GW product. Once painted, unless you lift up the mini, it's difficult to tell them apart (unless you have actually seen the original Praetorians).
 
I really need to update my website. I've completed the Praetorian army now and all vehicles have been painted as well as all minis. Added to the army and not seen here are six baneblades, 10 vals, 9 bassies, 9 griffons, plus the 3 companies of leman russ, and 3 mech companies.
 
9th Praetorian Combined Arms Division
        39th Infantry Battle Group (Light)
        47th Infantry Battle Group (Mech)
        60th Armored Battle Group
        9th Field Artillery Group
        2/10th Air Cavalry Troop
        7th Special Operations Group (Gray Knights)
 
Praetorians at 'Ork's Drift
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:16 PM
Subject: [praetorian-IG] 122nd Praetorian Rifles

Hi All

I am a big fan of the Praetorian Guard as one of my all time favourite films is Zulu. I am having abit of trouble finding the odd figure or two. I am trying to build a 50 man strong platoon (40 painted to date) and add a heavy weapon detachement. I have searched ebay and have drawn a blank. Could anyone make any suggestions on the hit list is 1x Autocannon Loader 2x Lascannons and 2x Heavy Bolters. I have looked through the photos on the site and look forward to posting pictures of the 122nd Praetorian Rifles.

Colonel Fredricks Acting 122nd Rifles


#350 From: "ben.pilloud" <ben.pilloud@...>
Date: Wed Jul 1, 2009 6:07 am
Subject: Re: 122nd Praetorian Rifles
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Welcome to the group Colonel,

I believe you may find what you are looking for by following the links on this This page. I myself am planning to order the firing line from Wargames Factory as soon as I can get my hands on a credit card. Except for my mortars, some remaining detailing for the commissar, and a lack of any real base work, my 1st platoon is ready for its photo op.

Captian Belisarius, Beinirham 42nd Company of Foot

--- In praetorian-IG@..., "johnhoskin38" <johnhoskin38@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> I am a big fan of the Praetorian Guard as one of my all time favourite films is Zulu. I am having abit of trouble finding the odd figure or two. I am trying to build a 50 man strong platoon (40 painted to date) and add a heavy weapon detachement. I have searched ebay and have drawn a blank. Could anyone make any suggestions on the hit list is 1x Autocannon Loader 2x Lascannons and 2x Heavy Bolters. I have looked through the photos on the site and look forward to posting pictures of the 122nd Praetorian Rifles.
>
> Colonel Fredricks Acting 122nd Rifles
>

#349 From: "johnhoskin38" <johnhoskin38@...>
Date: Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:16 pm
Subject: 122nd Praetorian Rifles
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Hi All

I am a big fan of the Praetorian Guard as one of my all time favourite films is
Zulu.  I am having abit of trouble finding the odd figure or two.  I am trying
to build a 50 man strong platoon (40 painted to date) and add a heavy weapon
detachement. I have searched ebay and have drawn a blank.  Could anyone make any
suggestions on the hit list is 1x Autocannon Loader 2x Lascannons and 2x Heavy
Bolters. I have looked through the photos on the site and look forward to
posting pictures of the 122nd Praetorian Rifles.

Colonel Fredricks Acting 122nd Rifles

#348 From: "ben.pilloud" <ben.pilloud@...>
Date: Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:36 pm
Subject: Re: Praetorian Emperor Battle Titan
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Err, Thats actually an Imperator titan.

--- In praetorian-IG@..., "ben.pilloud" <ben.pilloud@...> wrote:
>
> With one of these on there side, how does GW explain wiping out the
Praetorians? Were that the truly case, the galaxy shall be overrun by whatever
killed it very shortly.
>
> Go to:
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2009/02/showcase-40k-scale-imperator-titan.html
>

#347 From: Ben Pilloud <ben.pilloud@...>
Date: Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:33 pm
Subject: Re: Praetorian Emperor Battle Titan
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True, that's what I meant. and as news about this bad boy circulates, that come back might not be too far off.

--- On Thu, 6/25/09, Rory Lowings <rozc19@...> wrote:

From: Rory Lowings <rozc19@...>
Subject: Re: [praetorian-IG] Praetorian Emperor Battle Titan
To: praetorian-IG@...
Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 4:52 AM

The Praetorians aren't wiped out, they just aren't supported any more - not that that has ever wiped out the Squats or Chaos Dwarves.
Praetoria is drinking Martinis at the moment. It will be back when the weather clears up.

Incidentally, fantastic Titan!

2009/6/25 ben.pilloud <ben.pilloud@ yahoo.com>
With one of these on there side, how does GW explain wiping out the Praetorians? Were that the truly case, the galaxy shall be overrun by whatever killed it very shortly.

Go to: http://www.belloflo stsouls.net/ 2009/02/showcase -40k-scale- imperator- titan.html



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