I'd heard about the thing from LOOT. But I'd never heard about the
thing from LWA (apart from a telephone conversation where I asked
what you were talking about when you mentioned me).

To be honest, I'd rather talk about positive things than negative
things. I'm not saying I will refuse to talk about this (because I
won't). And I'm not saying that you are not allowed to talk about it
(because you are), but it isn't especially an interesting subject to
me. I'd *prefer* to talk about other stuff.

--- "Steve" wrote:
>
> No, there was more to it than that. During my time in LOOT and LWA
I
> had two vendettas started against me. Each of the vendettas was
> started by a woman with red hair, but lots of other people were
> involved. The first vendetta was started by a woman who advertised
in
> LOOT, but who didn't carry on into LWA. The second vendetta was
> started by a woman who didn't even advertise in LOOT or LWA, but
> she worked as a barmaid in a pub where the weekly Wednesday
meetings
> moved to. The decision to move to that pub was made by another
woman
> with red hair who advertised in LOOT and LWA. After the vendetta
> started at a club in Brixton, the barmaid asked this other red
haired
> woman for help in harassing me. This help was to get other people
to
> exclude me from the group. That's what eventually happened, then I
> left LWA.
>
> --- "Peter" wrote:
> >
> > I know the name iwetec, but we never met - you were a bit before
my
> time, I think...
> > ...But cliques always form when you get lots of people together,
> some people like
> > behaving like children >shrug<

--- "Peter" wrote:
>
> You've done the hard bit [getting in touch]...
> ...So why not see if we can ask people out for a few drinks one
evening ??

Its been a while since we had a Public Mouth Night Out. I'm not sure if
it is too short notice to do the Banana Night Out (August 14th) this
year.

--- In publicmouth@..., big_mac_tmmm <no_reply@...>
wrote:
>
> --- "Steve" wrote:
> >
> > I don't know if anyone on here knows why I left LWA (London
Weekly
> > Advertiser) or if anyone has told you some lies about it.
>
> I think that you may have left the LWA after me. I left LOOT a
couple
> of times. Last time I spoke to you on the telephone we were talking
> about when me (and someone else) had left LOOT and you said you
were
> going to look up a bunch of dates and get back to me about it. So I
> don't have a clue about the date.

It was actually very difficult or impossible to work out those dates.
I needed someone to support me in mid 1993, by coming to some nights
out I'd advertised after a vendetta against me. No one came, except
Vike to the first one, so that meant that everyone else who was
advertising in LWA at the time was against me.

>
> I've heard lies about a *few* LOOTers in the past. It is one of the
> reasons why I don't like gossip.
>
> > People weren't always friendly to each other during my time on
LOOT
> > and LWA. I got some weird phone calls and I've heard that I
wasn't
> > the only one who got weird phone calls.
>
> I got some too. I didn't tell anyone about them at the time because
I
> knew that the idiot making them would phone me up to try to get
some
> sort of feedback from me.
>
> > There were at least two people making the phone calls.
>
> That sounds logical. I accidentally gave out a telephone number to
a
> woman who was hassling a man. That is why I don't give out phone
> numbers any more. And the person who phoned me was a man.
>

It was pretty obvious to me that weird or abusive phone calls were
made by Dirty Harry, Scarlet and her friend The
Seductress/Jezebel/The Bethnal Green Bitch (real name Michaela). It
was also some kind of joke that some people had met Jezebel, but not
me.

> > The first phone call was asking me to
> > explain what the Personal Messages column was about and what the
> > people advertising there were like. Later on, the comments I'd
made
> > about this were published by him in Personal Messages. This
wasn't
> > much, compared to some later phone calls, though.
>
> A lot of us put our phone numbers into LOOT, so I think that the
> nutters thought it would be "fun" to phone us up and play "jokes"
on
> us. However, I don't think a "joke" *is* a "joke" if you don't let
> the other person *in* on the joke.
>
> There were a ton of "wind ups" in LOOT. I think the ones designed
to
> give people a laugh and wonder who the other person was *were*
> legitimate, but nasty phone calls are well over the line. Everyone
> draws the line in a slightly different place, but nobody can claim
> that a phone call is fun if they are making it to someone they
don't
> claim as a friend and if they never admit it was them.
>
> > Apart from this, some people started forming cliques, excluding
me
> > and others.
>
> I saw a number of groups in LOOT. Some were cliques, but not *all*
of
> them were cliques.
>
> > Later on, I had two vendettas started against me. I thought I'd
> > managed to survive the first vendetta, but my honour was damaged.
>
> I had a couple of them against me too. And I saw vendettas against
a
> couple of other people too.

I don't know what these "vendettas" were so I don't think they could
really have been vendettas. My vendettas were false accusations of
stalking and sexual harassment, death threats, and an allegation of
spilling my drink over a barmaid, being thrown out of a club, a
bouncer pointing a knife at me, ending in being barred from the
pub later on.

>
> > Later still, my lifestyle changed so much that I stopped going to
> > LNO's, which were sometimes held every weekend, and sometimes
even
> > twice per weekend! I really wasn't having any consideration shown
> to
> > me. I used to hold the record for the number of LNO's attended,
but
> > then I lost it or was about to lose it. One of these very
frequent
> > LNO's was held on the same day I was moving most of my belongings
> > into my first flat in September 1989, so there was no way I
> could've
> > attended.
>
> I gave up LOOTing when the LNOs became really frequent. I came back
> and left at least two or three times (probably more like four or
five
> times). I'm not entirely sure what you were doing at those times.
>
> > Some time later, I went to a gig at The Marquee, Charing Cross
> Road,
> > but I can't remember now who was playing. The Marquee was in
> Charing
> > Cross Road for a few years after it closed in Wardour Street.
After
> > leaving the gig, I walked down the road to The Royal George pub.
I
> > was surprised to be recognised by some LOOTers who I didn't
> > recognise, but they recognised me from old photos.
>
> I had that sort of reaction from new LOOTers who I didn't know.
There
> was a time, in my early days, when I knew everyone who joined LOOT
> and made an effort to talk to everyone. But in the once a week
> period, the vast number of people who only attended once, as well
as

If you've got copies of old photos of me, I'd like some, because I
didn't get copies of them.

> the people who turned up to the pubs but didn't write took away a
bit
> of my motivation and I stopped making as much effort. (Personlly, I
> think this was a shame, because I heard second hand that person X
was
> cool or person Y was cool and I missed out on meeting some of them.)
>
> > After this, I
> > started going regularly to that pub on Wednesday nights to meet
up
> > with them, because it didn't clash with clubs and gigs at the
> > weekends. Later on, attendance declined, but one LOOTer, or by
that
> > time Waggler, managed to persuade everyone to go to another pub.
>
> I don't recall any of this. I'm not sure if I was writting then.
>

This was during the period 1991 to 1993. Sebbi decided to change
pubs. This made her the leader of the group.

> > After that I had a vendetta launched against me, then I left LWA
> > where my name was Europaman. I started advertising in LWA again a
> > couple of years later to have a go at people, using the name
Thorn
> > (in your side), then I left for good.
>
> I *think* I remember that name. I do remember coming into London to
> see an Alien film that had just come out. While I was waiting I met
> you, Nightwing and Starchild. I also went to a night out about a
year

Actually, I don't remember who Nightwing or Starchild are at the
moment. Was this at The Royal George pub, off Charing Cross Road?

> later, where I bought Nightwing a drink I "owed him" for a year. I
> wasn't really writing during this time, but remember you being
upset
> about something that happened at an LNO around that time. We had a
> chat on the phone and you were talking about the dates I'd turned
up
> to nights out in an attempt to work out when I was coming to nights
> out. I know I didn't have anything to do with the stuff you spoke
to
> me about, but I guess you were trying to work out who was involved.

It was what happened at a weekly pub meeting, which I think were on
Wednesday nights. What happened was me being barred from the pub
after a vendetta which started at a club several weeks before that,
so it was nothing to do with the pub at all. It was everything to do
with the ginger bitch American barmaid "Cacky Jakki" who was using
the pub as a personal power base. I'd never have let her into the
country in the first place! The people who were "involved" were
everyone who was in LWA at the time who didn't come to the meetings I
advertised which would have meant I had some support and wouldn't
have needed to retire.


>

--- "Steve" wrote:
>
> So, no reply to my last message yet.

Nope. Sometimes we take time to reply to things. Other times people
don't want to answer certain messages. Its a bit like LOOT, but if
you look at the past activity you will see that we have ranged
between no messages per month and 600 messages!

> I'd just like people on here to
> know that I plan to check for new messages on here every day, but
> there doesn't seem to be much activity on this group. I'm not sure
> how far I can take things on here in explaining what happened,
> because it might be against the group's rules.

You should read messages 3 and 951 for the rules:
http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/publicmouth/message/3
http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/publicmouth/message/951

If you "explain what happened", you are probably at more danger of
boring people than offending them. Most people don't care about what
LOOTer X did to LOOTer Y in the 1980s. I don't even care about the
dodgy stuff that got done to me any more.

> I seem to remember doing Google searches for IWETEC over the years,
> but it only brought up a German industrial company. I've just read
> they were established in 1989, so perhaps they should give me lots
of
> money for using my name which I made up in 1985!

You could probably give it a go. However, if you can't establish a
connection between them and LOOT, I think you would be out of luck.

> I should just mention say that my last contact with anyone from
LOOT
> or LWA was in a certain pub I won't mention the name of on here,
but
> it's since changed hands after declining a lot. I went to this pub
> regularly, sometimes 2 or 3 times a week. I originally went there
> because people told me they'd seen me there, so I realised I must
> have a lookalike and I wanted to find him. Then, I enjoyed going
> there, so I carried on, but eventually the lookalike turned up and
he
> didn't look that much like me at all. In 2005 or 2006 I was sitting
> there when a woman came up and started talking to me. I think she
> asked if I remembered her or if I was IWETEC. I said to her "You
look
> like someone who betrayed me". She was there with another woman
from
> LOOT and LWA who was the one who decided what pub to go to. She
told
> me Vike had died and asked if I'd heard, but obviously there was no
> way I'd have known, due to being excluded in 1993. She told me they
> were having a memorial for him later that year or the following
year,
> but I told her in no uncertain terms that I wasn't interested,
> because he and they had all let me down in my hour of need,
betrayed
> and excluded me.

You said something similar to me on the phone (when we had the
conversation about dates). I know that Vike was in the LWA after I
was gone, but there was no way that he would have been involved in
betraying anyone. When I first met him, he didn't seem that
interested in me, but he was always polite to me and we got on a lot
better later on.

It just isn't in his character to be involved in some sort of
betrayal. I'm willing to bet that a few people betrayed you, more
people went along with it, other people didn't care either way and
most people didn't know anything about it.

I remember coming back to LOOT and meeting a lot of people who didn't
give a damn about *me*. That felt a lot less friendly than before,
but it wasn't a betrayal. They just didn't know me from Adam and
could only judge me from the steriotype of myself that I became.

<snip = don't know anything about this stuff>

--- "Steve" wrote:
>
> I knew that the first phone call was by Dirty Harry, because he
> published my comments under that name in LOOT not long afterwards,
> but I wasn't sure about later phone calls and some other people got
> involved as well. When he asked about people's LOOT names, I
> mentioned Dirty Harry and Adrian Mole. I said that I thought it'd
be
> more suitable if Dirty Harry was called Adrian Mole and vice versa.

I used to get fairly normal phone calls from Dirty Harry (as well as
a ton of other LOOTers) during my early years in LOOT. I know he is
very cleaver, but would not have fingered him as dodgy back then. I
used to think of him as a friend. I think a lot of us did. (I even
wrote "be there or be square" on my first Banana LNO invite to make
people think he might have posted it. <wink>))

> Another phone call I got was someone just playing a sound sampler
> keyboard where the sample was the word Superman and I think it was
> playing the Superman theme from the Christopher Reeve films.

I had that too. I thought they were saying "Synthoman". I just
thought it was a crap joke. I waited for someone to phone up and ask
me if they guessed it was them, but they didn't.

> Later
> weird phone calls featured a similar voice, which was deeper than
> Dirty Harry's and talking in a more extreme Cockney accent.

Synthoman phoned me back a few times and I kept the bugger talking.
My family thought I was nuts to not hang up, but he was paying the
bill and I wanted to know how long I could string him along. After
more than an hour of trying to get him to give up with the weird
voice and speak in his own voice a woman walked in on him and he
bottled it and hung up.

I didn't tell anyone about Synthoman (apart from my sister) and
figured that he would phone me up eventually. Within a month I got a
phone call from someone alegidly concered about Chilli Pepper getting
dodgy phone calls from a guy with a synthosizer. He asked if I'd got
phone calls too, but I denied it. I'll let you guess who was the
person who made that call.

> After I
> left LWA I heard that Dirty Harry had been arrested for making
> anonymous phone calls to Wagglers, but I didn't care, because I
hoped
> some of them were the Wagglers who had been involved in a vendetta
> against me.

I'd heard he got caught twice rather than arrested.

I'm not sure about this "vendetta" thing. I've certainly heard BS
about you during the time you were not writing. I've got no idea who
the people saying this were, but after talking to a few people I
realised they were newbie LOOTers who never met you. I'd say that one
person (or maybe a couple of people) were encouraging people to
repeat this stuff. You always were one of the more unusual LOOTers,
but back in the day we were *all* unusual. We were all people who
didn't have many friends outside of LOOT.

I'm not sure I've ever lived by the "unwritten rules of LOOT" that
you once spoke about, although I've been accused of "living in airy
fairy land" by one of the later LOOTers. But I can't think of anyone
I know from the early period who would want to start a vendetta
against you. A wind up perhaps, but no vendetta. I don't know how
wind ups turned into a vendetta.

--- "Peter" wrote:
>
> That was a chap by the pseudonym of Dirty Harry [if I remem
correctly]...
> ...And lots of people apparantly got dodgy phonecalls.

I've heard that too, but wouldn't single out Dirty Harry. There were
a number of people in LOOT who played "practical jokes" on friends,
but these were always things that they admitted to and the practical
jokers stuck to targeting each other. (At least I believed they stuck
to targeting each other.) It was really common, for example, for fake
LOOTers to write to real LOOTers. I had several "women who really
fancied me" messages.

If I had to guess, I'd say at least a quarter of LOOTers put in fake
messages of which people who took it beyond a joke were a minority of
between 4 and 7. (I'm not saying this to defend Dirty Harry, but to
explain that there was a culture where the finger of suspicion could
have pointed at 10-20 different people.)

> Unfortunately, someone left very obscene phone messages on peoples
ansaphones under
> my pseudonym...
> ...So my name got passed about, too.

There was a lot of doppelganger activity in LOOT. I've had people
pretend to be me.

I know for a fact that when Mr Famous was not writing in LOOT,
someone pretended to be him and wrote a message implying that he
thought a certain female LOOTer acted like a prostitute. She refused
to speak to him after that.

Some of the doppelgangers were very good at writing in other people's
style. I'm quite good at taking off people's style, but the worst
thing I ever did was put in some of the fake Selwyn Bog Trotter
messages that several of us wrote when he couldn't be bothered to
write for a while. (He already knew we did this, back when we posted
them.)

> Unfortunately, no-one actually confronted me or mentioned it to me
until some time after
> when one of the people who'd received a message supposedly from me
told me about it -
> and DH being the culprit.

I heard a lot of this stuff a long time after it happened. And I'm
not sure I possess all the facts to this day.

The thing you need to know about Dirty Harry, was that he was much
more popular than I was. I don't know what he looks like now, but he
was a good looking guy back then and had two really tasty looking
girlfriends during the time we were both in LOOT. So there wasn't
really any reason for him to be nasty to anyone.

I'm not saying that he didn't do any of this stuff. Just that it
doesn't make sense that he did any of this stuff. It just defies
logic. Maybe the practial jokes of the early LOOT years pushed him
over the edge and made him want revenge on the rest of us.

--- "Steve" wrote:
>
> I don't know if anyone on here knows why I left LWA (London Weekly
> Advertiser) or if anyone has told you some lies about it.

I think that you may have left the LWA after me. I left LOOT a couple
of times. Last time I spoke to you on the telephone we were talking
about when me (and someone else) had left LOOT and you said you were
going to look up a bunch of dates and get back to me about it. So I
don't have a clue about the date.

I've heard lies about a *few* LOOTers in the past. It is one of the
reasons why I don't like gossip.

> People weren't always friendly to each other during my time on LOOT
> and LWA. I got some weird phone calls and I've heard that I wasn't
> the only one who got weird phone calls.

I got some too. I didn't tell anyone about them at the time because I
knew that the idiot making them would phone me up to try to get some
sort of feedback from me.

> There were at least two people making the phone calls.

That sounds logical. I accidentally gave out a telephone number to a
woman who was hassling a man. That is why I don't give out phone
numbers any more. And the person who phoned me was a man.

> The first phone call was asking me to
> explain what the Personal Messages column was about and what the
> people advertising there were like. Later on, the comments I'd made
> about this were published by him in Personal Messages. This wasn't
> much, compared to some later phone calls, though.

A lot of us put our phone numbers into LOOT, so I think that the
nutters thought it would be "fun" to phone us up and play "jokes" on
us. However, I don't think a "joke" *is* a "joke" if you don't let
the other person *in* on the joke.

There were a ton of "wind ups" in LOOT. I think the ones designed to
give people a laugh and wonder who the other person was *were*
legitimate, but nasty phone calls are well over the line. Everyone
draws the line in a slightly different place, but nobody can claim
that a phone call is fun if they are making it to someone they don't
claim as a friend and if they never admit it was them.

> Apart from this, some people started forming cliques, excluding me
> and others.

I saw a number of groups in LOOT. Some were cliques, but not *all* of
them were cliques.

> Later on, I had two vendettas started against me. I thought I'd
> managed to survive the first vendetta, but my honour was damaged.

I had a couple of them against me too. And I saw vendettas against a
couple of other people too.

> Later still, my lifestyle changed so much that I stopped going to
> LNO's, which were sometimes held every weekend, and sometimes even
> twice per weekend! I really wasn't having any consideration shown
to
> me. I used to hold the record for the number of LNO's attended, but
> then I lost it or was about to lose it. One of these very frequent
> LNO's was held on the same day I was moving most of my belongings
> into my first flat in September 1989, so there was no way I
could've
> attended.

I gave up LOOTing when the LNOs became really frequent. I came back
and left at least two or three times (probably more like four or five
times). I'm not entirely sure what you were doing at those times.

> Some time later, I went to a gig at The Marquee, Charing Cross
Road,
> but I can't remember now who was playing. The Marquee was in
Charing
> Cross Road for a few years after it closed in Wardour Street. After
> leaving the gig, I walked down the road to The Royal George pub. I
> was surprised to be recognised by some LOOTers who I didn't
> recognise, but they recognised me from old photos.

I had that sort of reaction from new LOOTers who I didn't know. There
was a time, in my early days, when I knew everyone who joined LOOT
and made an effort to talk to everyone. But in the once a week
period, the vast number of people who only attended once, as well as
the people who turned up to the pubs but didn't write took away a bit
of my motivation and I stopped making as much effort. (Personlly, I
think this was a shame, because I heard second hand that person X was
cool or person Y was cool and I missed out on meeting some of them.)

> After this, I
> started going regularly to that pub on Wednesday nights to meet up
> with them, because it didn't clash with clubs and gigs at the
> weekends. Later on, attendance declined, but one LOOTer, or by that
> time Waggler, managed to persuade everyone to go to another pub.

I don't recall any of this. I'm not sure if I was writting then.

> After that I had a vendetta launched against me, then I left LWA
> where my name was Europaman. I started advertising in LWA again a
> couple of years later to have a go at people, using the name Thorn
> (in your side), then I left for good.

I *think* I remember that name. I do remember coming into London to
see an Alien film that had just come out. While I was waiting I met
you, Nightwing and Starchild. I also went to a night out about a year
later, where I bought Nightwing a drink I "owed him" for a year. I
wasn't really writing during this time, but remember you being upset
about something that happened at an LNO around that time. We had a
chat on the phone and you were talking about the dates I'd turned up
to nights out in an attempt to work out when I was coming to nights
out. I know I didn't have anything to do with the stuff you spoke to
me about, but I guess you were trying to work out who was involved.

Actually, I thought it was only you who called it LOOM. My AASA ads
were in 1985. Later on, I got seduced by a Finnish woman at a gig, so
I thought this proved my point that British women couldn't do that
kind of thing. I heard that Dirty Harry got a job with LOOT, but he
became a LOOTer before that. I originally didn't think I'd carry on
in LOOT for very long, but then I was surprised at what it became.

The second vendetta, which forced me to retire from LWA, was started
by a barmaid who I called Cacky Jakki, after someone from the pub
told me over the phone that her name was Jakki. I don't think any
Wagglers knew her name before that. This was over an allegation that
I spilled my drink over her at a club. I used to see her at another
club I went to every week, but all I ever said to her was "A pint of
Cider, please" at the pub, until she started harassing me at the
other club. She was American and a ginger bitch. On the night I was
barred from the pub at one stage me, Vike, and Black Panther were
outside the pub, but there were only two Wagglers inside the pub. I
pleaded with them not to go into the pub, then that would've been the
end of the vendetta with everyone else forced to leave. Black Panther
said "I don't think they'll go for it", but obviously that was crap
because most of us were *outside* the pub at the time.

It was obvious to me that Vike was supposed to tell the collaborator
Sebbi, who was another ginger bitch and co organised the vendetta by
talking to people about me behind my back, that if she didn't leave
the pub there were going to be just the two of them left there, that
would be the end of it, and to stop conspiring with other people
against Wagglers just because they've got red hair! Not only didn't
he do that, but on that night he'd given the bitch a lift to the pub.
After this, I advertised some weekly meetings at another pub which
clashed with their meetings to try and persuade people to leave the
pub and other people to come along, but only Vike came to the first
meeting and that was all. The Plumstead Model nearly came along, but
then she left it too late and I'd finished running these meetings by
then. The lack of support, as well as nasty ads from Sebbi, and a few
others like Chesh, forced me into retirement. Not long after this, I
think there was another gathering in a park in London with some
visitors from Via Via, but there was no point me going after
everything that had happened. I placed an ad in LWA in German to get
round the censorship and tell some German advertisers what had
happened to me. I could imagine Vike sitting in the park telling a
fairy story about why I wasn't there to the Via Via people! I
sometimes wonder what happened to The Plumstead Model. She was due to
visit me, but then she got a postcard I'd sent days before from the
Netherlands and although I'd put the date, she assumed I was still
over there! I think this was because she had an aversion to making
phone calls, because her parents never had a phone and she'd started
working for the Post Office. She had her phone cut off. I heard from
her that she planned to and live in Norfolk, but I don't know if she
ever did.


--- In publicmouth@..., big_mac_tmmm <no_reply@...>
wrote:
>
> --- "Steve" wrote:
> >
> > I've already mentioned that my reason for buying LOOT in the
first
> > place was to sell my crappy Commodore 64 computer, with an
ancient
> > dialect of the programming language BASIC, to help raise funds to
> buy
> > a decent computer with a modern version of BASIC. It took more
than
> > one ad in LOOT to sell it. The ads were free and LOOT published
> only
> > one edition per week, which cost 50p, so I started buying it
> > regularly.
>
> Back then it only came out on Thursday. LOOT stood for Look Out On
> Thursday. When they started doing a Monday LOOT a bunch of us used
to
> call it "LOOM".
>
> > On the front page, there was Personal Messages section
> > 100. This was a forum where anyone could advertise, sometimes or
> > usually under a nickname, and have messages published about
various
> > things, although there was a lot of censorship.
>
> I'd heard about the 100 thing, but it was before my time.
>
> > After a few months, I
> > decided to launch a campaign to become some kind of celebrity, so
> > then I wrote some ads with the nickname IWETEC. One the ads
> explained
> > that IWETEC stood for I Will Escape To the European Continent. I
> also
> > had some ads which were a campaign called AASA (Anti Anglo Saxon
> > Attitudes), instructing people to more outgoing, start lots of
> > conversations with strangers, conversations on trains, etc, etc.
>
> I don't remember any of your AASA stuff. I presume that was before
I
> started.
>
> > LOOT
> > became a big part of my social life, which was seriously lacking
at
> > the time, due to constant changes in music and fashion, cliques,
> etc.
> > I was excited by the early LOOT Nights Out (LNO's) with the
chance
> of
> > meeting absolutely anyone from any kind of background, instead of
a
> > clique.
>
> I think that is the way with most LOOTers. At least the ones from
the
> time before their was an LNO every week. Once the weekly LNOs
> started, and we lost count of the LNO number the newbies seemed to
be
> more interested than the meetings than talking in the paper. That
> isn't necessarily a bad thing. It was just a very different animal
> after that point.
>
> > The first LNO was held at The Production Village, Kilburn,
> > then LOOT organised a couple of LNO's themselves, but I can't
> > remember where they were. LOOT staff, such as Ken and Diane
turned
> up
> > at early LNO's, but later on no LOOT staff came along.
>
> My first LNO (which was the second LNO after I started writing) was
> in The Production Village. There were a ton of people there, some
of
> whom didn't turn up after that.
>
> As for "no LOOT staff members" coming to the LNOs, I'm afraid that
> isn't correct. One of the copytakers was a LOOTer! Don't ask me
who,
> though. If I tell you, I'll have to kill you afterwards.
>
> ;-)
>
> Big Mac TMMM
>

--- "Steve" wrote:
>
> I've already mentioned that my reason for buying LOOT in the first
> place was to sell my crappy Commodore 64 computer, with an ancient
> dialect of the programming language BASIC, to help raise funds to
buy
> a decent computer with a modern version of BASIC. It took more than
> one ad in LOOT to sell it. The ads were free and LOOT published
only
> one edition per week, which cost 50p, so I started buying it
> regularly.

Back then it only came out on Thursday. LOOT stood for Look Out On
Thursday. When they started doing a Monday LOOT a bunch of us used to
call it "LOOM".

> On the front page, there was Personal Messages section
> 100. This was a forum where anyone could advertise, sometimes or
> usually under a nickname, and have messages published about various
> things, although there was a lot of censorship.

I'd heard about the 100 thing, but it was before my time.

> After a few months, I
> decided to launch a campaign to become some kind of celebrity, so
> then I wrote some ads with the nickname IWETEC. One the ads
explained
> that IWETEC stood for I Will Escape To the European Continent. I
also
> had some ads which were a campaign called AASA (Anti Anglo Saxon
> Attitudes), instructing people to more outgoing, start lots of
> conversations with strangers, conversations on trains, etc, etc.

I don't remember any of your AASA stuff. I presume that was before I
started.

> LOOT
> became a big part of my social life, which was seriously lacking at
> the time, due to constant changes in music and fashion, cliques,
etc.
> I was excited by the early LOOT Nights Out (LNO's) with the chance
of
> meeting absolutely anyone from any kind of background, instead of a
> clique.

I think that is the way with most LOOTers. At least the ones from the
time before their was an LNO every week. Once the weekly LNOs
started, and we lost count of the LNO number the newbies seemed to be
more interested than the meetings than talking in the paper. That
isn't necessarily a bad thing. It was just a very different animal
after that point.

> The first LNO was held at The Production Village, Kilburn,
> then LOOT organised a couple of LNO's themselves, but I can't
> remember where they were. LOOT staff, such as Ken and Diane turned
up
> at early LNO's, but later on no LOOT staff came along.

My first LNO (which was the second LNO after I started writing) was
in The Production Village. There were a ton of people there, some of
whom didn't turn up after that.

As for "no LOOT staff members" coming to the LNOs, I'm afraid that
isn't correct. One of the copytakers was a LOOTer! Don't ask me who,
though. If I tell you, I'll have to kill you afterwards.

;-)

Big Mac TMMM

--- w_o_l_f_l_i_n_g wrote:
>
> Oops I replied to the wrong message!

Oops *I* replied to the wrong message!

Yours Spartacusly

Big Mac

--- w_o_l_f_l_i_n_g wrote:
>
> I was a friend of Viking Raider's, who i met through the dutch ViaVia
> free ad pages. The only time I ever made it to England was to bury
> him though.

Was it you who carved that viking ship on a bit of wood? I thought that
was an amazingly cool thing to do. Vike would have loved that.

> And then I stayed at Cheshire Cat' Mum's house for a whole month!

Shame I didn't know you better back then. We could have met up in a pub
(or whatever) before you went home.

--- In publicmouth@..., big_mac_tmmm <no_reply@...> wrote:
>

> PS: You see that:
> http://www.langtoninfo.co.uk/showitem.asp?isbn=0912608110
>
> That's is your autobiography that is.
>
>

Hooray!! :D And a most scandalous account it is too! ;)

Speaking of books... I reacently published my latest novel!! Whoop
whoop!! I'm having a book launch next month, I'm SO excited!!!

Jersie Over The Moon Devil

--- In publicmouth@..., big_mac_tmmm <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
>
> There was enough of that sort of stuff in LOOT. Over here we take
> things in vein. At least Jersie Dee does. She is our office vampire.
>
> ;-)
>

LMAO!!! Hahahaha!!

JD x

>
> Please tell me when you were in LOOT or LWA and what name or names
you
> used. I started in LOOT as IWETEC in early 1985 and continued until
> 1993 in LWA as Europaman. I'm not exactly sure when I switched to
LWA,
> but it was after most people had left LOOT.
>

I was known as Citizen and then later as Eve L. Powers

JDx

No, there was more to it than that. During my time in LOOT and LWA I
had two vendettas started against me. Each of the vendettas was
started by a woman with red hair, but lots of other people were
involved. The first vendetta was started by a woman who advertised in
LOOT, but who didn't carry on into LWA. The second vendetta was
started by a woman who didn't even advertise in LOOT or LWA, but
she worked as a barmaid in a pub where the weekly Wednesday meetings
moved to. The decision to move to that pub was made by another woman
with red hair who advertised in LOOT and LWA. After the vendetta
started at a club in Brixton, the barmaid asked this other red haired
woman for help in harassing me. This help was to get other people to
exclude me from the group. That's what eventually happened, then I
left LWA.

--- In publicmouth@..., "Peter" <yahoopublicmouth@...>
wrote:
>
> I know the name iwetec, but we never met - you were a bit before my
time, I think...
> ...But cliques always form when you get lots of people together,
some people like
> behaving like children >shrug<
>
> There's not been much activity here for a long time - everyone else
seems to be waiting
> for someone else to start something...
> ...But this is the old way of staying touch and meeting people.
>
> Now people would set up a Bebo/MySpace/Hi5/etc area and do things
there...
> ...But it's the usual thing of not enough time and not
enough "connection" with other folks
> and real life just getting in the way.
>
> You've done the hard bit [getting in touch]...
> ...So why not see if we can ask people out for a few drinks one
evening ??
>
>
> Peter

I wonder how many people on here got some weird phone calls?
Someone's already mentioned that Dirty Harry made some of them, but I
know there were also some weird calls made by one or more females. I
also read classified ads in LOOT indicating that I wasn't the only
one who received them. I know that some calls were made about sexual
fantasies by someone with various different names. I think that the
names Jezebel, The Seductress, and The Bethnal Green Bitch all
belonged to this obscene phone caller. I did some investigation of my
own and found a classified ad giving her real name, but I didn't
connect the two until later on. After this I did some more
investigation which enabled me to find out her full name and address
in Bethnal Green. Later on, I went to the address accompanied by a
woman she didn't know, because I knew she'd seen pictures of me as
well as in real life, but whenever I'd seen her I didn't know who she
was, just a face in the crowd. I sent this woman to her front door to
ask if she was in, so she could take a picture and I'd finally know
what she looked like. Unfortunately, she wasn't quick enough and all
I got was a picture of her front door after she'd slammed it, as well
as a rough description of what she looked like, but that wasn't good
enough. Further investigation more recently has revealed that someone
by the same name used to work at early LNO venue The Production
Village. Some LOOTers told me they'd met Jezebel, but that's all I
know. I wonder if anyone on here has got any more details about her
or a photo?

I will reply later!!!



:)



anyway i doubt if thee's anything "against group rules" unless it's
spam or senseless trolling.....


--- In publicmouth@..., "Steve" <roughcut2001@...>
wrote:
>
> So, no reply to my last message yet. I'd just like people on here
to
> know that I plan to check for new messages on here every day, but
> there doesn't seem to be much activity on this group. I'm not sure
> how far I can take things on here in explaining what happened,
> because it might be against the group's rules.
>
> I seem to remember doing Google searches for IWETEC over the years,
> but it only brought up a German industrial company. I've just read
> they were established in 1989, so perhaps they should give me lots
of
> money for using my name which I made up in 1985!
>
> I should just mention say that my last contact with anyone from
LOOT
> or LWA was in a certain pub I won't mention the name of on here,
but
> it's since changed hands after declining a lot. I went to this pub
> regularly, sometimes 2 or 3 times a week. I originally went there
> because people told me they'd seen me there, so I realised I must
> have a lookalike and I wanted to find him. Then, I enjoyed going
> there, so I carried on, but eventually the lookalike turned up and
he
> didn't look that much like me at all. In 2005 or 2006 I was sitting
> there when a woman came up and started talking to me. I think she
> asked if I remembered her or if I was IWETEC. I said to her "You
look
> like someone who betrayed me". She was there with another woman
from
> LOOT and LWA who was the one who decided what pub to go to. She
told
> me Vike had died and asked if I'd heard, but obviously there was no
> way I'd have known, due to being excluded in 1993. She told me they
> were having a memorial for him later that year or the following
year,
> but I told her in no uncertain terms that I wasn't interested,
> because he and they had all let me down in my hour of need,
betrayed
> and excluded me.
>
> Not long afterwards, a blonde woman who I was friends with came in
> and I told her what had happened. The date 2005 or 2006 comes from
> when I met up with her again after some time, I bought a cheap MP3
> player in 2005 to test for compatibility with DRM music, then after
I
> found out what was and wasn't compatible, I bought a better MP3
> player and gave her the other one. I did lots of things to help
Vike
> and the others, but they obviously didn't appreciate it much,
> otherwise they wouldn't have betrayed me. This help included being
a
> kind of tourist courier in Amsterdam, translating Dutch Via Via
> messages, etc.
>
> The formatting in this message seems to have been all messed up
just
> because I had to correct the spelling of appreciate!
>

I know the name iwetec, but we never met - you were a bit before my time, I
think...
...But cliques always form when you get lots of people together, some people
like
behaving like children >shrug<

There's not been much activity here for a long time - everyone else seems to be
waiting
for someone else to start something...
...But this is the old way of staying touch and meeting people.

Now people would set up a Bebo/MySpace/Hi5/etc area and do things there...
...But it's the usual thing of not enough time and not enough "connection" with
other folks
and real life just getting in the way.

You've done the hard bit [getting in touch]...
...So why not see if we can ask people out for a few drinks one evening ??


Peter

--- In publicmouth@..., "Steve" <roughcut2001@...> wrote:
>
> So, no reply to my last message yet. I'd just like people on here to
> know that I plan to check for new messages on here every day, but
> there doesn't seem to be much activity on this group. I'm not sure
> how far I can take things on here in explaining what happened,
> because it might be against the group's rules.
>
> I seem to remember doing Google searches for IWETEC over the years,
> but it only brought up a German industrial company. I've just read
> they were established in 1989, so perhaps they should give me lots of
> money for using my name which I made up in 1985!
>
> I should just mention say that my last contact with anyone from LOOT
> or LWA was in a certain pub I won't mention the name of on here, but
> it's since changed hands after declining a lot. I went to this pub
> regularly, sometimes 2 or 3 times a week. I originally went there
> because people told me they'd seen me there, so I realised I must
> have a lookalike and I wanted to find him. Then, I enjoyed going
> there, so I carried on, but eventually the lookalike turned up and he
> didn't look that much like me at all. In 2005 or 2006 I was sitting
> there when a woman came up and started talking to me. I think she
> asked if I remembered her or if I was IWETEC. I said to her "You look
> like someone who betrayed me". She was there with another woman from
> LOOT and LWA who was the one who decided what pub to go to. She told
> me Vike had died and asked if I'd heard, but obviously there was no
> way I'd have known, due to being excluded in 1993. She told me they
> were having a memorial for him later that year or the following year,
> but I told her in no uncertain terms that I wasn't interested,
> because he and they had all let me down in my hour of need, betrayed
> and excluded me.
>
> Not long afterwards, a blonde woman who I was friends with came in
> and I told her what had happened. The date 2005 or 2006 comes from
> when I met up with her again after some time, I bought a cheap MP3
> player in 2005 to test for compatibility with DRM music, then after I
> found out what was and wasn't compatible, I bought a better MP3
> player and gave her the other one. I did lots of things to help Vike
> and the others, but they obviously didn't appreciate it much,
> otherwise they wouldn't have betrayed me. This help included being a
> kind of tourist courier in Amsterdam, translating Dutch Via Via
> messages, etc.
>
> The formatting in this message seems to have been all messed up just
> because I had to correct the spelling of appreciate!
>

So, no reply to my last message yet. I'd just like people on here to
know that I plan to check for new messages on here every day, but
there doesn't seem to be much activity on this group. I'm not sure
how far I can take things on here in explaining what happened,
because it might be against the group's rules.

I seem to remember doing Google searches for IWETEC over the years,
but it only brought up a German industrial company. I've just read
they were established in 1989, so perhaps they should give me lots of
money for using my name which I made up in 1985!

I should just mention say that my last contact with anyone from LOOT
or LWA was in a certain pub I won't mention the name of on here, but
it's since changed hands after declining a lot. I went to this pub
regularly, sometimes 2 or 3 times a week. I originally went there
because people told me they'd seen me there, so I realised I must
have a lookalike and I wanted to find him. Then, I enjoyed going
there, so I carried on, but eventually the lookalike turned up and he
didn't look that much like me at all. In 2005 or 2006 I was sitting
there when a woman came up and started talking to me. I think she
asked if I remembered her or if I was IWETEC. I said to her "You look
like someone who betrayed me". She was there with another woman from
LOOT and LWA who was the one who decided what pub to go to. She told
me Vike had died and asked if I'd heard, but obviously there was no
way I'd have known, due to being excluded in 1993. She told me they
were having a memorial for him later that year or the following year,
but I told her in no uncertain terms that I wasn't interested,
because he and they had all let me down in my hour of need, betrayed
and excluded me.

Not long afterwards, a blonde woman who I was friends with came in
and I told her what had happened. The date 2005 or 2006 comes from
when I met up with her again after some time, I bought a cheap MP3
player in 2005 to test for compatibility with DRM music, then after I
found out what was and wasn't compatible, I bought a better MP3
player and gave her the other one. I did lots of things to help Vike
and the others, but they obviously didn't appreciate it much,
otherwise they wouldn't have betrayed me. This help included being a
kind of tourist courier in Amsterdam, translating Dutch Via Via
messages, etc.

The formatting in this message seems to have been all messed up just
because I had to correct the spelling of appreciate!

I knew that the first phone call was by Dirty Harry, because he
published my comments under that name in LOOT not long afterwards,
but I wasn't sure about later phone calls and some other people got
involved as well. When he asked about people's LOOT names, I
mentioned Dirty Harry and Adrian Mole. I said that I thought it'd be
more suitable if Dirty Harry was called Adrian Mole and vice versa.
Another phone call I got was someone just playing a sound sampler
keyboard where the sample was the word Superman and I think it was
playing the Superman theme from the Christopher Reeve films. Later
weird phone calls featured a similar voice, which was deeper than
Dirty Harry's and talking in a more extreme Cockney accent. After I
left LWA I heard that Dirty Harry had been arrested for making
anonymous phone calls to Wagglers, but I didn't care, because I hoped
some of them were the Wagglers who had been involved in a vendetta
against me.

--- In publicmouth@..., "Peter" <synner667@...> wrote:
>
> That was a chap by the pseudonym of Dirty Harry [if I remem
correctly]...
> ...And lots of people apparantly got dodgy phonecalls.
>
> Unfortunately, someone left very obscene phone messages on peoples
ansaphones under
> my pseudonym...
> ...So my name got passed about, too.
>
> Unfortunately, no-one actually confronted me or mentioned it to me
until some time after
> when one of the people who'd received a message supposedly from me
told me about it -
> and DH being the culprit.
>
>
> Peter
> --- In publicmouth@..., "Steve" <roughcut2001@> wrote:
> >
> > I don't know if anyone on here knows why I left LWA (London
Weekly
> > Advertiser) or if anyone has told you some lies about it.
> >
> > People weren't always friendly to each other during my time on
LOOT
> > and LWA. I got some weird phone calls and I've heard that I
wasn't
> > the only one who got weird phone calls. There were at least two
> > people making the phone calls. The first phone call was asking me
to
> > explain what the Personal Messages column was about and what the
> > people advertising there were like. Later on, the comments I'd
made
> > about this were published by him in Personal Messages. This
wasn't
> > much, compared to some later phone calls, though.
> >
> > Apart from this, some people started forming cliques, excluding
me
> > and others.
> >
> > Later on, I had two vendettas started against me. I thought I'd
> > managed to survive the first vendetta, but my honour was damaged.
> >
> > Later still, my lifestyle changed so much that I stopped going to
> > LNO's, which were sometimes held every weekend, and sometimes
even
> > twice per weekend! I really wasn't having any consideration shown
to
> > me. I used to hold the record for the number of LNO's attended,
but
> > then I lost it or was about to lose it. One of these very
frequent
> > LNO's was held on the same day I was moving most of my belongings
> > into my first flat in September 1989, so there was no way I
could've
> > attended.
> >
> > Some time later, I went to a gig at The Marquee, Charing Cross
Road,
> > but I can't remember now who was playing. The Marquee was in
Charing
> > Cross Road for a few years after it closed in Wardour Street.
After
> > leaving the gig, I walked down the road to The Royal George pub.
I
> > was surprised to be recognised by some LOOTers who I didn't
> > recognise, but they recognised me from old photos. After this, I
> > started going regularly to that pub on Wednesday nights to meet
up
> > with them, because it didn't clash with clubs and gigs at the
> > weekends. Later on, attendance declined, but one LOOTer, or by
that
> > time Waggler, managed to persuade everyone to go to another pub.
> > After that I had a vendetta launched against me, then I left LWA
> > where my name was Europaman. I started advertising in LWA again a
> > couple of years later to have a go at people, using the name
Thorn
> > (in your side), then I left for good.
> >
>

That was a chap by the pseudonym of Dirty Harry [if I remem correctly]...
...And lots of people apparantly got dodgy phonecalls.

Unfortunately, someone left very obscene phone messages on peoples ansaphones
under
my pseudonym...
...So my name got passed about, too.

Unfortunately, no-one actually confronted me or mentioned it to me until some
time after
when one of the people who'd received a message supposedly from me told me about
it -
and DH being the culprit.


Peter
--- In publicmouth@..., "Steve" <roughcut2001@...> wrote:
>
> I don't know if anyone on here knows why I left LWA (London Weekly
> Advertiser) or if anyone has told you some lies about it.
>
> People weren't always friendly to each other during my time on LOOT
> and LWA. I got some weird phone calls and I've heard that I wasn't
> the only one who got weird phone calls. There were at least two
> people making the phone calls. The first phone call was asking me to
> explain what the Personal Messages column was about and what the
> people advertising there were like. Later on, the comments I'd made
> about this were published by him in Personal Messages. This wasn't
> much, compared to some later phone calls, though.
>
> Apart from this, some people started forming cliques, excluding me
> and others.
>
> Later on, I had two vendettas started against me. I thought I'd
> managed to survive the first vendetta, but my honour was damaged.
>
> Later still, my lifestyle changed so much that I stopped going to
> LNO's, which were sometimes held every weekend, and sometimes even
> twice per weekend! I really wasn't having any consideration shown to
> me. I used to hold the record for the number of LNO's attended, but
> then I lost it or was about to lose it. One of these very frequent
> LNO's was held on the same day I was moving most of my belongings
> into my first flat in September 1989, so there was no way I could've
> attended.
>
> Some time later, I went to a gig at The Marquee, Charing Cross Road,
> but I can't remember now who was playing. The Marquee was in Charing
> Cross Road for a few years after it closed in Wardour Street. After
> leaving the gig, I walked down the road to The Royal George pub. I
> was surprised to be recognised by some LOOTers who I didn't
> recognise, but they recognised me from old photos. After this, I
> started going regularly to that pub on Wednesday nights to meet up
> with them, because it didn't clash with clubs and gigs at the
> weekends. Later on, attendance declined, but one LOOTer, or by that
> time Waggler, managed to persuade everyone to go to another pub.
> After that I had a vendetta launched against me, then I left LWA
> where my name was Europaman. I started advertising in LWA again a
> couple of years later to have a go at people, using the name Thorn
> (in your side), then I left for good.
>

I don't know if anyone on here knows why I left LWA (London Weekly
Advertiser) or if anyone has told you some lies about it.

People weren't always friendly to each other during my time on LOOT
and LWA. I got some weird phone calls and I've heard that I wasn't
the only one who got weird phone calls. There were at least two
people making the phone calls. The first phone call was asking me to
explain what the Personal Messages column was about and what the
people advertising there were like. Later on, the comments I'd made
about this were published by him in Personal Messages. This wasn't
much, compared to some later phone calls, though.

Apart from this, some people started forming cliques, excluding me
and others.

Later on, I had two vendettas started against me. I thought I'd
managed to survive the first vendetta, but my honour was damaged.

Later still, my lifestyle changed so much that I stopped going to
LNO's, which were sometimes held every weekend, and sometimes even
twice per weekend! I really wasn't having any consideration shown to
me. I used to hold the record for the number of LNO's attended, but
then I lost it or was about to lose it. One of these very frequent
LNO's was held on the same day I was moving most of my belongings
into my first flat in September 1989, so there was no way I could've
attended.

Some time later, I went to a gig at The Marquee, Charing Cross Road,
but I can't remember now who was playing. The Marquee was in Charing
Cross Road for a few years after it closed in Wardour Street. After
leaving the gig, I walked down the road to The Royal George pub. I
was surprised to be recognised by some LOOTers who I didn't
recognise, but they recognised me from old photos. After this, I
started going regularly to that pub on Wednesday nights to meet up
with them, because it didn't clash with clubs and gigs at the
weekends. Later on, attendance declined, but one LOOTer, or by that
time Waggler, managed to persuade everyone to go to another pub.
After that I had a vendetta launched against me, then I left LWA
where my name was Europaman. I started advertising in LWA again a
couple of years later to have a go at people, using the name Thorn
(in your side), then I left for good.

I've already mentioned that my reason for buying LOOT in the first
place was to sell my crappy Commodore 64 computer, with an ancient
dialect of the programming language BASIC, to help raise funds to buy
a decent computer with a modern version of BASIC. It took more than
one ad in LOOT to sell it. The ads were free and LOOT published only
one edition per week, which cost 50p, so I started buying it
regularly. On the front page, there was Personal Messages section
100. This was a forum where anyone could advertise, sometimes or
usually under a nickname, and have messages published about various
things, although there was a lot of censorship. After a few months, I
decided to launch a campaign to become some kind of celebrity, so
then I wrote some ads with the nickname IWETEC. One the ads explained
that IWETEC stood for I Will Escape To the European Continent. I also
had some ads which were a campaign called AASA (Anti Anglo Saxon
Attitudes), instructing people to more outgoing, start lots of
conversations with strangers, conversations on trains, etc, etc. LOOT
became a big part of my social life, which was seriously lacking at
the time, due to constant changes in music and fashion, cliques, etc.
I was excited by the early LOOT Nights Out (LNO's) with the chance of
meeting absolutely anyone from any kind of background, instead of a
clique. The first LNO was held at The Production Village, Kilburn,
then LOOT organised a couple of LNO's themselves, but I can't
remember where they were. LOOT staff, such as Ken and Diane turned up
at early LNO's, but later on no LOOT staff came along.

--- In publicmouth@..., "Steve" <roughcut2001@...>
wrote:
> How
> can I find out who's actually reading the messages and who isn't?
>

Oops I replied to the wrong message!

--- In publicmouth@..., big_mac_tmmm <no_reply@...>
wrote:
>
> --- "Steve" wrote:
> >
> > It's been mentioned that there hasn't been much activity here
> recently
> > until I turned up. I can see there weren't many messages posted
> > recently until I joined, but I wonder if there's any way of me
> knowing
> > who's reading the messages?

I read them!

(but I don't always have time to reply)

:)

I never wrote in LWA or Loot I think though.. maybe I left a message
there once or twice for Vike... not sure.

I was a friend of Viking Raider's, who i met through the dutch ViaVia
free ad pages. The only time I ever made it to England was to bury
him though.

And then I stayed at Cheshire Cat' Mum's house for a whole month!

I have the feeling we met at Terrence's Mum's place once? The name
Iwetec rings a very large bell.

Oh by the way, I was "lawaaierig jochie" (noisy boy) and "het
wolvenkind" (the wolfling child) and "Max" in ViaVia. I forgot what
other names I used at the time.

--- "Steve" wrote:
>
> It's been mentioned that there hasn't been much activity here
recently
> until I turned up. I can see there weren't many messages posted
> recently until I joined, but I wonder if there's any way of me
knowing
> who's reading the messages?

No. Only me, Mr Yahoo and MI5 know that.

Actually, even I don't know who reads stuff.

One of the things that stops you knowing who reads stuff is that it
is all available online as well as via the group mailing list. People
can use either method to post or either method to read.

> I've been getting copies of the messages
> via email. Looking at a the list of members, it says some of their
> email addresses are "bouncing". This was what was happening with
the
> email address I'm using now because I abandoned it some time ago.

People who are listed as bouncing are people who told Yahoo to send
emails to an email address that doesn't work. This makes a message
come back from the remote email server saying that the message can't
be delivered. Because this causes work for Yahoo they eventually boot
people out of the group.

If you don't want emails sent to you then use the "Edit Membership"
link at the top of the page:
http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/publicmouth/join

On that page you can turn off emails, or set it to special messages
only. If you don't have an active email address then turn it off.

Otherwise you will get yourself booted out of the group.

> How
> can I find out who's actually reading the messages and who isn't?

As I said before, this isn't technically possible. People can even
read the messages without having a Yahoo account (if they use the
website). These messages are also indexed by search engines, like
Google, so people can read the remote copies of messages over there.

It's been mentioned that there hasn't been much activity here recently
until I turned up. I can see there weren't many messages posted
recently until I joined, but I wonder if there's any way of me knowing
who's reading the messages? I've been getting copies of the messages
via email. Looking at a the list of members, it says some of their
email addresses are "bouncing". This was what was happening with the
email address I'm using now because I abandoned it some time ago. How
can I find out who's actually reading the messages and who isn't?

--- In publicmouth@..., big_mac_tmmm <no_reply@...>
wrote:
>
> --- "Steve" wrote:
> >
> > Hello, everyone on here! I'm a new member in this group, but an
ex
> > LOOTer and ex Waggler.
>
> Didn't you Waggle under a different name?
>
> > I found this group by doing a Google search for
> > one of my names, which is IWETEC. This abbbreviation stands for I
> Will
> > Escape To the European Continent, but no one else on here seems
to
> > remember what it stands for.
>
> I thought it stood for "peace, justice and the American way". But
then
> I might be mixing you up with someone else.
>
> > I was concerned that my name was being
> > taken in vain in this group.
>
> There was enough of that sort of stuff in LOOT. Over here we take
> things in vein. At least Jersie Dee does. She is our office vampire.
>
> ;-)
>
> > Among the first LOOTers I remember were
> > Dirty Harry, Guitarman, Tiger, and Big Mac.  More details in the
near
> > future.
>
> Who was Guitarman? I don't remember him. When did he write?
>

Guitarman was a guitarist who I think did a bit of busking. He
started in LOOT quite early on. The earliest LOOTers in issue 1, such
as Suzy soon stopped writing and never turned up at any LNO's.
Guitarman had dark hair, which was slicked back and I remember him
wearing a long leather coat. I think it was acoustic guitar he
played. He was a fanatical Conservative who made some comments sort
of like "I'd rather share my beer with a Socialist", or perhaps it
wasn't beer. I think he was at Dirty Harry's 21st Birthday Party in
1988. He was planning on marrying Tiger, but I'm not sure whether or
not he did.

No, I didn't join ICPUG (Independent Commodore Products User Group, for
those people lucky enough never to have bought a Commodore 64 or even
the improved Commodore 16 and Commodore Plus 4) basically because the
Commodore 64 was crap and I only owned one for about 11 months. Two
particularly crap things about it for games programming were only one
coordinate for PRINT TAB which meant you couldn't check both
coordinates to see if any UDG's had collided, as well as no sprite
control from BASIC. I modified the hot air balloon sprite program so it
displayed 2 TARDISes which crossed each others' paths, then I got the
Commodore 64 leader of my computer club to add some code which detected
when they collided, but when I asked him how to make them bounce off
each other, he just said "Oh, that would be *very* difficult!" and that
was about the end of it for me.

--- In publicmouth@..., big_mac_tmmm <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> --- "Steve" wrote:
> >
> > Before anyone bothers to mention it, there were various replacement
> > BASICs on sale for the Commodore 64, but programs written under any
> > of these BASICs would only run if that BASIC had been loaded. They
> > were all Copyright and didn't have any type of code I could include
> > which would allow the programs to run unless the owner had a copy
of
> > that type of BASIC.
>
> Oddly enough, I wasn't going to mention that.
>
> ;-)
>
> Did you ever join ICPUG and make use of their library of Commodore 64
> programs?
>

I used one of my many email addresses to join this group. It seems it
had to me a Yahoo email address, so I used one. It just so happened to
be under the name Steve because people are advised to have various
Internet identities, otherwise other people can find out too much about
you.

I don't want to write a message here or not yet about the item I posted
to you. Actually, I don't remember what "condition" you applied.

--- In publicmouth@..., big_mac_tmmm <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> Well, you do sound more like you, but I did wonder about the name
> change myself. I think a few of us knew your full name, so I can see
> that would make people wonder.
>
> If we are doing a question and answer session, then what was the name
> you gave to the thing that you posted to me during our LOOT years?
> And when you said you wanted to post it to me, what "condition" did I
> apply?
>
> Yours inquisitively,
> Big Mac