Sure...I'll just ask the theatre-company to postpone the date of their
performance. Shall I?

--- In publicmouth@..., "synner667" <yahoopublicmouth@...> wrote:
>
> Sounds like a splendid idea [even if i don't know who you are]
>
> unfortunately, i can't make it - that being the start of the week i'm away...
> ...but make it a few weeks later and i'd be there [or at least make a very
determined effort !!]
>
>
> Peter
> --- In publicmouth@..., "terrebelius" <terrebel@> wrote:
> >
> > Sat. 19 Sept. 12.00h The Shakespeare at Victoria? I'll be there...to see the
Rocky Horror Pcture show at Wimbledon that night! Hope some of you can make
it...I'll buy a drink for any of you who show up...Promise!
> >
> > Last meetup was july 2004 so let's celebrate the fifth aniversary of not
meeting!
> >
>

Sounds like a splendid idea [even if i don't know who you are]

unfortunately, i can't make it - that being the start of the week i'm away...
...but make it a few weeks later and i'd be there [or at least make a very
determined effort !!]


Peter
--- In publicmouth@..., "terrebelius" <terrebel@...> wrote:
>
> Sat. 19 Sept. 12.00h The Shakespeare at Victoria? I'll be there...to see the
Rocky Horror Pcture show at Wimbledon that night! Hope some of you can make
it...I'll buy a drink for any of you who show up...Promise!
>
> Last meetup was july 2004 so let's celebrate the fifth aniversary of not
meeting!
>

Sat. 19 Sept. 12.00h The Shakespeare at Victoria? I'll be there...to see the
Rocky Horror Pcture show at Wimbledon that night! Hope some of you can make
it...I'll buy a drink for any of you who show up...Promise!

Last meetup was july 2004 so let's celebrate the fifth aniversary of not
meeting!

--- In publicmouth@..., Randolf Goat <randolfgoat@...> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 20:29 +0000, desmond_hoo wrote:
> >
> >
> > Who is Virgilio Anderson?
> >
> > And why is he the fastest growing search term on Google?
> >
> > Answers on a postcard please.
>
> It's one of these grass roots ad campaigns - this one is for an Italian
> restaurant.
>
> We know this because Virgilio Anderson is an anagram of Endorsing
> Ravioli.

Hmm. Do you think he is one of those Labour Party employees that turn up to
restaraunt openings and smile at MPs while wearing backpacks?

On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 20:29 +0000, desmond_hoo wrote:
>
>
> Who is Virgilio Anderson?
>
> And why is he the fastest growing search term on Google?
>
> Answers on a postcard please.

It's one of these grass roots ad campaigns - this one is for an Italian
restaurant.

We know this because Virgilio Anderson is an anagram of Endorsing
Ravioli.

Who is Virgilio Anderson?

And why is he the fastest growing search term on Google?

Answers on a postcard please.

--- In publicmouth@..., big_mac_tmmm <no_reply@...>
wrote:
>

>
> I don't know. I get busy for a few weeks and someone tries to
hijack
> the community.
>
> ;)
>
> What shall we do to liven the place up, then?
>

I don't know... belly dancers?

Or maybe we could pick fights with people or start vendettas!

--- w_o_l_f_l_i_n_g wrote:
>
> > It's a shame that this group looks like it'll migrate to Facebook
> after being here for such a
> > long time...
> > ...Facebook is such a load of wank, and has very dodgy privacy
> issues.
> >
> > C'est la vie,
> > Peter
> >
> I agree! Let's stay here!
>
> Let's try to liven up this place a bit, rather than move to faecebook!

I don't know. I get busy for a few weeks and someone tries to hijack
the community.

;)

What shall we do to liven the place up, then?

>
> It's a shame that this group looks like it'll migrate to Facebook
after being here for such a
> long time...
> ...Facebook is such a load of wank, and has very dodgy privacy
issues.
>
> C'est la vie,
> Peter
>
I agree! Let's stay here!

Let's try to liven up this place a bit, rather than move to faecebook!

Blue Unicorn ??
I know a Crazy Unicorn...
...Who married one of the Jems.

It's a shame that this group looks like it'll migrate to Facebook after being
here for such a
long time...
...Facebook is such a load of wank, and has very dodgy privacy issues.

C'est la vie,
Peter

  --- In publicmouth@..., "Drum" <tobystevenson@...> wrote:
>
> Just to let all know that Wolfhound Pup (Jem Dowse0 has started a
> looters group (called Looters) on Facebook. Poison is there along with
> Blue Unicorn, Wolfie and Vampire Cat.
> Seeya there
> Dx
>

It's that time of year again...
...When Olympia, London plays host to the BDSM scene.

There be whips, pole dancers, porn, toys, DVDs, mainstream people, corsets,
lingerie,
leather, books, masks, lubricants, dressed-up people, smiles.

I've been going for several years [ever since an ex introduced me to that whole
world] and it's
usually interesting and fun...
...Though some years have been better than others.

I've even seen people I know working there [Zak/Poison]
Anyone on here looking to go ??
Has anyone been before ??


<b><i>Peter</b></i>

Big news! I've just found out that there's already a film called "Odd
Girl Out", which seems to be based on this book. You can order it
from www.amazon.co.uk or www.amazon.com and here's exactly where to
find it.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Odd-Girl-Out-REGION-
NTSC/dp/B000BYA5GY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1226082700&sr=8-1

Unfortunately, this DVD is coded in NTSC, so you'll probably have to
play it on your computer.

I thought I should also mention that Poison/Zak likes joining all
female groups and going to nightclubs which discriminate against men
in any of various ways, such as "all men must be accompanied by a
woman". This is actually against the law, but not enough has been
done about it yet. She also seems to think that any woman she meets
who has red hair is autmomatically her leader and she'll do whatever
they tell her to.

BTW, Chesh was also involved in isolating me from the group, but I
forgot to mention this before, because she wasn't actually there on
the night that things came to a head, but posted nasty messages to me
in LWA after that.

--- In publicmouth@..., "Steve" <roughcut2001@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In publicmouth@..., "Drum" <tobystevenson@> wrote:
> >
> > Just to let all know that Wolfhound Pup (Jem Dowse0 has started a
> > looters group (called Looters) on Facebook. Poison is there along
> with
> > Blue Unicorn, Wolfie and Vampire Cat.
> > Seeya there
> > Dx
> >
>
> That's great! I'm not a member of Facebook yet, so this should
> encourage me to join. Can someone point out to me the differences
> between Facebook and MySpace? I can't remember why I haven't joined
> Facebook yet.
>
> I want to join the Looters Facebook group to give Poison (alias
Zak)
> some stick. This is because Poison/Zak is or was a member of a gang
> which isolated me from a group, forcing me to leave LWA. This is a
form
> of bullying or harassment. To get a good idea why Zak and the
others
> (i.e. Sebbi, Black Panther, and Vike) would have done this, you
should
> try and read the book "Odd Girl Out" by Rachel Simmons, which you
can
> find details of on www.rachelsimmons.com . Unfortunately, this book
is
> very heavy going and it took me about a year to read it, after I
> originally saw it featured on Oprah. I think there may be a short
video
> somewhere on the site which tells you the gist of it. The full
title of
> the book is "Odd Girl Out: The Hidden Culture of Aggression in
Girls".
> This tells the story of how girls at school form cliques or "cool
> groups" to feel superior to other girls and harrass them. They also
> often exclude a member from their group, sometimes just by the
> ringleader saying "We don't talk to her anymore", leaving them
isolated
> with hardly any friends left. What it doesn't mention is that this
> behaviour sometimes continues after leaving school and that boys
and
> men should be careful they don't hang round with a group of girls
or
> women like this, because they can never join this clique, but can
be
> isolated by it. I think someone should make a film based on this
book,
> so more people can get the message instead of giving up after
reading
> about two pages. I think the TV series "Popular"
> http://www.tv.com/popular/popular-round-one-
1/episode/2214/summary.html?
> tag=ep_list;title;0 was based on this kind of thing, but I didn't
watch
> it, especially because it seemed one of the main bullies was
blonde,
> but in real life a lot of or most of the ringleaders have red hair.
The
> phrase "She's popular" or "She's very popular" whenever or wherever
you
> hear it means "She's a bully" or "She's not only a bully, but the
> ringleader". I hope to read the follow up book "Odd Girl Speaks
Out",
> but I don't know if I'll live long enough!
>

--- In publicmouth@..., "Drum" <tobystevenson@...> wrote:
>
> Just to let all know that Wolfhound Pup (Jem Dowse0 has started a
> looters group (called Looters) on Facebook. Poison is there along
with
> Blue Unicorn, Wolfie and Vampire Cat.
> Seeya there
> Dx
>

That's great! I'm not a member of Facebook yet, so this should
encourage me to join. Can someone point out to me the differences
between Facebook and MySpace? I can't remember why I haven't joined
Facebook yet.

I want to join the Looters Facebook group to give Poison (alias Zak)
some stick. This is because Poison/Zak is or was a member of a gang
which isolated me from a group, forcing me to leave LWA. This is a form
of bullying or harassment. To get a good idea why Zak and the others
(i.e. Sebbi, Black Panther, and Vike) would have done this, you should
try and read the book "Odd Girl Out" by Rachel Simmons, which you can
find details of on www.rachelsimmons.com . Unfortunately, this book is
very heavy going and it took me about a year to read it, after I
originally saw it featured on Oprah. I think there may be a short video
somewhere on the site which tells you the gist of it. The full title of
the book is "Odd Girl Out: The Hidden Culture of Aggression in Girls".
This tells the story of how girls at school form cliques or "cool
groups" to feel superior to other girls and harrass them. They also
often exclude a member from their group, sometimes just by the
ringleader saying "We don't talk to her anymore", leaving them isolated
with hardly any friends left. What it doesn't mention is that this
behaviour sometimes continues after leaving school and that boys and
men should be careful they don't hang round with a group of girls or
women like this, because they can never join this clique, but can be
isolated by it. I think someone should make a film based on this book,
so more people can get the message instead of giving up after reading
about two pages. I think the TV series "Popular"
http://www.tv.com/popular/popular-round-one-1/episode/2214/summary.html?
tag=ep_list;title;0 was based on this kind of thing, but I didn't watch
it, especially because it seemed one of the main bullies was blonde,
but in real life a lot of or most of the ringleaders have red hair. The
phrase "She's popular" or "She's very popular" whenever or wherever you
hear it means "She's a bully" or "She's not only a bully, but the
ringleader". I hope to read the follow up book "Odd Girl Speaks Out",
but I don't know if I'll live long enough!

Just to let all know that Wolfhound Pup (Jem Dowse0 has started a
looters group (called Looters) on Facebook. Poison is there along with
Blue Unicorn, Wolfie and Vampire Cat.
Seeya there
Dx

If it makes you feel any better, I was at most of the LNOs for a couple
of years around 89ish... and I've never seen a photo of me there. I'm
not even sure what I look like anymore.
BBW

--- In publicmouth@..., "Drum" <tobystevenson@...> wrote:
>
> Hiya. Just to say I posted new photos as promised...
> OK so I promised about 6 months ago but I was abducted by aliens
> wanting to understand the offside rule so it took some time.
> Hi to anyone out there who cares...
> Cheers Big Bad Wolf
>
> PS Got sad scanning these in. It was the last time I saw Vike. Good
guy.
>

How about some pics of me? I feel sure someone must have some. There
was a kind of conspiracy to prevent me buying a roll of film on the way
to the Via Via picnic in 1992. I could've bought one in a shop right
over the road from where I lived, but we had to leave immediately
otherwise we'd be late, then there was no film for sale at the ferry
port, no film in Terry's road, no film by the park, etc. This means I
didn't get any pics of myself. I made some 8mm videos, but now I can't
play them back and I don't know if the tapes or my old camera is faulty.

--- In publicmouth@..., w_o_l_f_l_i_n_g <no_reply@...>
wrote:
>
> MEETING UP
>
> We meet up several times a year in London. Anyone who writes or reads
> Public Mouth is invited to come along. The last meeting was July 4th
> 2004 - see message 3005 for details.
>
>
> I bet it the last meeting was held in a blue "Police" box...

It is still 1984 in my heart.

:-)

Still, I'll get caught up with the posts, I haven't answered yet, soon
and make sure I update the group description.

Hiya. Just to say I posted new photos as promised...
OK so I promised about 6 months ago but I was abducted by aliens
wanting to understand the offside rule so it took some time.
Hi to anyone out there who cares...
Cheers Big Bad Wolf

PS Got sad scanning these in. It was the last time I saw Vike. Good guy.

Sorry, but I need to make a couple of corrections. The website is
actually www.friendsreunited.co.uk , which is run by the same people
as www.genesreunited.co.uk . Her name somewhere connected with the
website is Michaela Cook, which is how I found her, but she's also
now listed as Michaela Campbell. Perhaps someone on here remembers
her as having brown eyes and dark hair. She once told me over the
phone that she wasn't blonde, she said "I hate blondes!", and she
mentioned liking the bands The Mission, The Cult, and All About Eve.
It's illegal to make anonymous and/or obscene phone calls, so people
who do this should be dealt with, no matter how many years it takes
to track them down. There are some contact details under her profile,
which I've already copied, as well as a list of schools she went to,
so you could have a look under these schools to see if you recognise
any other names which would help you to verify her identity. Perhaps
we could get together, share evidence and take out a private
prosecution. If not, I've got some other ideas and I'm sure some
other ex LOOTers have got some ideas as well!

--- In publicmouth@..., "Steve" <roughcut2001@...>
wrote:
>
> I've just got a possible lead on an obscene anonymous phone caller
> from LOOT!
>
> She went by the names The Seductress/The Bathnal Green
Bitch/Jezebel.
> I did some investigation and found out that her real name was
> Michaela Cooke who lived in Bethnal Green.
>
> A venue for early LNO's was The Production Village in Kilburn. I've
> been watching people listed in this workplace for some time on
> www.genesreunited.co.uk . I'm pretty sure the only way I could've
> found this was by searching for "Michaela Cooke".
>
> I've just received an email telling me that a Michaela or Michaela
> Cooke who worked at The Production Village has posted some pics on
> www.genesreunited.co.uk . She's now changed her name on that site
to
> Michaela Campbell. I think people should head over to that
> site, have a look and see if any of the pics look familiar to them,
> not only from The Production Village, but from elsewhere.
>
> It was a kind of sick joke amongst some LOOTers that they knew who
> Michaela was and what she looked like, but I wasn't allowed to
know.
> Some other facts about Michaela Cooke are that she was a fan of The
> Mission, she worked on a clothes stall, she later went to college,
> her Mum was Scottish, and she was a mate of that ginger bitch
> slanderer Scarlet, who started a vendetta against me!
>
> Hopefully, some of these facts will ring bells with other members
of
> this group.
>
> Anyway, get over to Genes Reunited and view Michaela Campbell's
pics
> under The Production Village Kilburn to see if they look familiar
to
> you at all. Even if these pics get deleted, I've saved them to my
> hard drive, so bad luck Michaela Cooke, if it's you! Ha ha ha!!!!
>

I've just got a possible lead on an obscene anonymous phone caller
from LOOT!

She went by the names The Seductress/The Bathnal Green Bitch/Jezebel.
I did some investigation and found out that her real name was
Michaela Cooke who lived in Bethnal Green.

A venue for early LNO's was The Production Village in Kilburn. I've
been watching people listed in this workplace for some time on
www.genesreunited.co.uk . I'm pretty sure the only way I could've
found this was by searching for "Michaela Cooke".

I've just received an email telling me that a Michaela or Michaela
Cooke who worked at The Production Village has posted some pics on
www.genesreunited.co.uk . She's now changed her name on that site to
Michaela Campbell. I think people should head over to that
site, have a look and see if any of the pics look familiar to them,
not only from The Production Village, but from elsewhere.

It was a kind of sick joke amongst some LOOTers that they knew who
Michaela was and what she looked like, but I wasn't allowed to know.
Some other facts about Michaela Cooke are that she was a fan of The
Mission, she worked on a clothes stall, she later went to college,
her Mum was Scottish, and she was a mate of that ginger bitch
slanderer Scarlet, who started a vendetta against me!

Hopefully, some of these facts will ring bells with other members of
this group.

Anyway, get over to Genes Reunited and view Michaela Campbell's pics
under The Production Village Kilburn to see if they look familiar to
you at all. Even if these pics get deleted, I've saved them to my
hard drive, so bad luck Michaela Cooke, if it's you! Ha ha ha!!!!

MEETING UP

We meet up several times a year in London. Anyone who writes or reads
Public Mouth is invited to come along. The last meeting was July 4th
2004 - see message 3005 for details.


I bet it the last meeting was held in a blue "Police" box...

--- In publicmouth@..., "Steve" <roughcut2001@...>
wrote:

> I needed someone to support me in mid 1993, by coming to some
nights
> out I'd advertised after a vendetta against me. No one came, except
> Vike to the first one, so that meant that everyone else who was
> advertising in LWA at the time was against me.
>

Surely just because people don't make it to your night out, that
doesn't mean they are all against you? I find that a bit self-
centered and paranoid.. But then, I wasn't around at the time so I
may have missed something there.

Either way, you're here now. I still wonder if I met you! I think I
may have, at Sonja's house, or at one of the ViaVia people's parties.

Or maybe I just heard lots of gossip about you? :)

Don't worry though, I have a memory like a sieve.

Glad to have you here, you single-handedly revived the Public Mouth!
I'm sure BigMac will be able to think up a joke about Public Mouth
resuscitation(GRRR that word is so hard to spell!).

Just don't be too bitter, and enjoy the good things life throws at
you. Even if life throws a bit hard sometimes.

--- In publicmouth@..., big_mac_tmmm <no_reply@...>
wrote:

>
> Was it you who carved that viking ship on a bit of wood? I thought
that
> was an amazingly cool thing to do. Vike would have loved that.
>

Thanks, yes that was me. At the time I was quite worried that Vike's
mum and brother might take offense, because it's not a very christian
thing to do.
But they not only allowed it, I think they welcomed it, and
understood as well...
I'm glad I did what I did back then.


> > And then I stayed at Cheshire Cat' Mum's house for a whole month!
>
> Shame I didn't know you better back then. We could have met up in a
pub
> (or whatever) before you went home.
>

Indeed! I had a great time at Chesh's mum's though. In the mornings
I'd spend time with her and sometimes do some garden work or shopping
or something, then in the afternoons I would often go busking
somewhere in London or Kingston or Sutton, or go for very very long
walks by myself. Usually in the evenings I'd end up drinking with
total strangers, sometimes I would meet up with Chesh and go to
Rayne's Park or Wimbledon or something. There was so many totally
different worls in such close proximity to each other, I loved every
bit of it! Plus it hardly ever rained while I was there :)

I still haven't been back to England since (apart from short visits
to Heathrow Airport). But I will eventually...

I won't make it on the 14th either, I'm afraid.

I'll make it over there *some* day though! And then we can go to the
pub together! perhaps I can try to drag Terrence en Erwin(Axl) along
too/

I recently wrote a book which is available online only, but I'm not
sure if I should post details on here, because then some of the
people I've been talking about who harassed me might be able to find
out more details about me and use this information to harass me
again. The book download costs less than £1.50.

--- In publicmouth@..., jersiedevil_rout666
<no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> Merci! :D
>
> It is a totally new story. There is a preview on the site
> http://stores.lulu.com/devilshighway
>
> JDx
>
> --- In publicmouth@..., big_mac_tmmm <no_reply@>
wrote:
> >
> > --- jersiedevil_rout666 wrote:
> > >
> > > --- big_mac_tmmm wrote:
> > >
> > > > PS: You see that:
> > > > http://www.langtoninfo.co.uk/showitem.asp?isbn=0912608110
> > > >
> > > > That's is your autobiography that is.
> > >
> > > Hooray!! :D And a most scandalous account it is too! ;)
> > >
> > > Speaking of books... I reacently published my latest novel!!
Whoop
> > > whoop!! I'm having a book launch next month, I'm SO excited!!!
> >
> > Congratulations. Are you going to have a preview extract of this
one?
> > Is it a sequel to the last one or a totally new story?
> >
>

Merci! :D

It is a totally new story. There is a preview on the site
http://stores.lulu.com/devilshighway

JDx

--- In publicmouth@..., big_mac_tmmm <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> --- jersiedevil_rout666 wrote:
> >
> > --- big_mac_tmmm wrote:
> >
> > > PS: You see that:
> > > http://www.langtoninfo.co.uk/showitem.asp?isbn=0912608110
> > >
> > > That's is your autobiography that is.
> >
> > Hooray!! :D And a most scandalous account it is too! ;)
> >
> > Speaking of books... I reacently published my latest novel!! Whoop
> > whoop!! I'm having a book launch next month, I'm SO excited!!!
>
> Congratulations. Are you going to have a preview extract of this one?
> Is it a sequel to the last one or a totally new story?
>

Merci! :D

It is a totally new story. There is a preview on the site
http://stores.lulu.com/devilshighway

JDx

--- In publicmouth@..., big_mac_tmmm <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> --- jersiedevil_rout666 wrote:
> >
> > --- big_mac_tmmm wrote:
> >
> > > PS: You see that:
> > > http://www.langtoninfo.co.uk/showitem.asp?isbn=0912608110
> > >
> > > That's is your autobiography that is.
> >
> > Hooray!! :D And a most scandalous account it is too! ;)
> >
> > Speaking of books... I reacently published my latest novel!! Whoop
> > whoop!! I'm having a book launch next month, I'm SO excited!!!
>
> Congratulations. Are you going to have a preview extract of this one?
> Is it a sequel to the last one or a totally new story?
>

--- In publicmouth@..., big_mac_tmmm <no_reply@...>
wrote:
>
> --- "Steve" wrote:
> You should read messages 3 and 951 for the rules:
> http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/publicmouth/message/3
> http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/publicmouth/message/951
>

I couldn't find these messages before, because it seems to say on
whatever page that people should read message 3,951 not messages 3
and 951.

> If you "explain what happened", you are probably at more danger of
> boring people than offending them. Most people don't care about
what
> LOOTer X did to LOOTer Y in the 1980s. I don't even care about the
> dodgy stuff that got done to me any more.
>

As my Mum said "Don't care was made to care"! Obviously things that
have happened to someone affect them more than anyone else who
happened to be there at the time.

> > I seem to remember doing Google searches for IWETEC over the
years,
> > but it only brought up a German industrial company. I've just
read
> > they were established in 1989, so perhaps they should give me
lots
> of
> > money for using my name which I made up in 1985!
>
> You could probably give it a go. However, if you can't establish a
> connection between them and LOOT, I think you would be out of luck.
>

They're using my name. I made it up first. I think it's a similar
situation to the Beatles' Apple record label and Apple Computer.
Apple Computer have since broken all agreements with the Beatles by
using their Apple symbol on musical devices, especially the iPod.

> > I should just mention say that my last contact with anyone from
> LOOT
> > or LWA was in a certain pub I won't mention the name of on here,
> but
> > it's since changed hands after declining a lot. I went to this
pub
> > regularly, sometimes 2 or 3 times a week. I originally went there
> > because people told me they'd seen me there, so I realised I must
> > have a lookalike and I wanted to find him. Then, I enjoyed going
> > there, so I carried on, but eventually the lookalike turned up
and
> he
> > didn't look that much like me at all. In 2005 or 2006 I was
sitting
> > there when a woman came up and started talking to me. I think she
> > asked if I remembered her or if I was IWETEC. I said to her "You
> look
> > like someone who betrayed me". She was there with another woman
> from
> > LOOT and LWA who was the one who decided what pub to go to. She
> told
> > me Vike had died and asked if I'd heard, but obviously there was
no
> > way I'd have known, due to being excluded in 1993. She told me
they
> > were having a memorial for him later that year or the following
> year,
> > but I told her in no uncertain terms that I wasn't interested,
> > because he and they had all let me down in my hour of need,
> betrayed
> > and excluded me.
>

I now choose to reveal that it was Black Panther who spoke to me and
she was with Sebbi.

> You said something similar to me on the phone (when we had the
> conversation about dates). I know that Vike was in the LWA after I
> was gone, but there was no way that he would have been involved in
> betraying anyone. When I first met him, he didn't seem that
> interested in me, but he was always polite to me and we got on a
lot
> better later on.
>
> It just isn't in his character to be involved in some sort of
> betrayal. I'm willing to bet that a few people betrayed you, more
> people went along with it, other people didn't care either way and
> most people didn't know anything about it.
>

The betrayal went as follows. After being thrown out of a club for
something I hadn't done by one bouncer, another bouncer pulling a
knife on me and the threat of being barred from the pub later on, I
phoned Vike and told him what had happened, as well as the threat of
being barred from the pub as well. I told him I'd need him to leave
the pub if I was barred, for the obvious reason that I wouldn't be
excluded from LWA. Several weeks later I went back to the pub, got
barred and no one left, so this was how they betrayed me. If I'd been
that ginger bitch Sebbi I could have got people to go to another pub
just by suggesting that a certain other pub would be better, but no
one took me seriously because I hadn't done enough to defend myself,
so people decided to fit in with the bigger threat of the pub staff
plus Sebbi.

> I remember coming back to LOOT and meeting a lot of people who
didn't
> give a damn about *me*. That felt a lot less friendly than before,
> but it wasn't a betrayal. They just didn't know me from Adam and
> could only judge me from the steriotype of myself that I became.
>
> <snip = don't know anything about this stuff>
>


Of course, other issues involved with all of this are the 9th
Commandment "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy
neighbour", or if you prefer "Thou shalt not give false evidence
against thy neighbour" and what penalties there should be for this.
Various penalties which have been used have included cutting the
slanderer's tongue out, or stoning them. In Germany, there's a very
good anti slander law, where people can be sued just for using the
expression "Spinnen Sie?" or "Spinnst Du?". This expression is a bit
vague, because it can mean either "Are you joking?", "Are you mad?",
or "Are you totally fuckin' insane?". If it's the third meaning, then
that's slander. A British motorist was nearly sued or was actually
sued for this, but claimed he just meant "Are you mad?" and his
German wasn't good enough to know about the more offensive meaning.

Another issue is as described in the book "Odd Girl Out" by Rachel
Simmons. This is about stereotype female bullying, including cliques,
talking about people behind their backs, and excluding them. This is
carried out by all female groups and mostly against women, but it can
also be carried out against men stupid enough to hang round with
these groups, or if they don't know that they are hanging round with
one of these groups. That's what happened to me, so in this case *I*
was the "odd girl out".

--- jersiedevil_rout666 wrote:
>
> --- big_mac_tmmm wrote:
>
> > PS: You see that:
> > http://www.langtoninfo.co.uk/showitem.asp?isbn=0912608110
> >
> > That's is your autobiography that is.
>
> Hooray!! :D And a most scandalous account it is too! ;)
>
> Speaking of books... I reacently published my latest novel!! Whoop
> whoop!! I'm having a book launch next month, I'm SO excited!!!

Congratulations. Are you going to have a preview extract of this one?
Is it a sequel to the last one or a totally new story?

--- jersiedevil_rout666 wrote:
>
> >
> > Please tell me when you were in LOOT or LWA and what name or names
> you used.
> I was known as Citizen and then later as Eve L. Powers

Or "Citizen Seven Years Ago".

:-p

;-)

I'd heard about the thing from LOOT. But I'd never heard about the
thing from LWA (apart from a telephone conversation where I asked
what you were talking about when you mentioned me).

To be honest, I'd rather talk about positive things than negative
things. I'm not saying I will refuse to talk about this (because I
won't). And I'm not saying that you are not allowed to talk about it
(because you are), but it isn't especially an interesting subject to
me. I'd *prefer* to talk about other stuff.

--- "Steve" wrote:
>
> No, there was more to it than that. During my time in LOOT and LWA
I
> had two vendettas started against me. Each of the vendettas was
> started by a woman with red hair, but lots of other people were
> involved. The first vendetta was started by a woman who advertised
in
> LOOT, but who didn't carry on into LWA. The second vendetta was
> started by a woman who didn't even advertise in LOOT or LWA, but
> she worked as a barmaid in a pub where the weekly Wednesday
meetings
> moved to. The decision to move to that pub was made by another
woman
> with red hair who advertised in LOOT and LWA. After the vendetta
> started at a club in Brixton, the barmaid asked this other red
haired
> woman for help in harassing me. This help was to get other people
to
> exclude me from the group. That's what eventually happened, then I
> left LWA.
>
> --- "Peter" wrote:
> >
> > I know the name iwetec, but we never met - you were a bit before
my
> time, I think...
> > ...But cliques always form when you get lots of people together,
> some people like
> > behaving like children >shrug<