Hi
Maybe I am being incredibly stupid but I am not sure what you mean by
"sold before any bids were put on"
Are you saying a buy it now price used?
Or that somewhere else in another sale they were sold and now the same
puppets are appearing again
Did the person called Ella pay via paypal or credit card?
I am confused by the story can you run through it step by step for
idiots like me please.

I'm afraid we might hear more stories like this while this recession
holds.

--- In puppetandvintagetoys@..., "wizardofporlock"
<laski@...> wrote:
>
> 1950's parrot (king )260324508548 and 1950's villain (fritzi
> )260324505474 these items have been sold before any bids were put on
> them by a lady called ella using paypal she has paid out a large
> amount of money for these puppets and the seller is refusing to hand
> them over saying she can use them when ever she likes i would suggest
> you come to your own conclusions on this the seller is called rex hunt
> he does like so many other rip off ebayers have a 100% feedback be
> warned this could turn very nasty if you were to buy them as ownership
> would have to be proved in a court of LAW if they have already been sold
>

1950's parrot (king )260324508548 and 1950's villain (fritzi
)260324505474 these items have been sold before any bids were put on
them by a lady called ella using paypal she has paid out a large
amount of money for these puppets and the seller is refusing to hand
them over saying she can use them when ever she likes i would suggest
you come to your own conclusions on this the seller is called rex hunt
he does like so many other rip off ebayers have a 100% feedback be
warned this could turn very nasty if you were to buy them as ownership
would have to be proved in a court of LAW if they have already been sold

sl fairy on ebay the photo is a stock photo taken from the ppo site
not of the actual puppet buyers BEWARE ITEM NO 320322596548

I see your point but the person who told me said it tightens the twist
or slackens it.
If it tightens it then it snaps and if untwisting it loosens the fibres

I doubt that it will affect how I pack my puppets greatly as the
person was talking about constant packing, unpacking and performing on
a daily basis where a broken string in the middle of a performance can
be a nightmare - so you do everything to cut down any wear and tear so
you bag the puppets up and either use an S frame to hold the strings
or wind round the top of the bag.

It was just interesting to note that this could be a factor in the
wear of Pelham strings


--- In puppetandvintagetoys@..., "pelhampuppetman"
<stagetex@...> wrote:
>
> although not doubting in anyway that spinning puppets unwinds the
> strings ,i seem to remember that the pelham instructions said to only
> spin one way so if the string was always strung from the same direction
> lets say above if you spun the puppet it could in theory tighten the
> strings by spinning one way and loosen by spinning the other
>

there were two main types the mini display's which were sold to the
shops and were designed specifically for the smaller shop with little
space and the bigger ones which were rented to the larger stores or
sold abroad.
they were never sold as slot machines these were made by Mayfield
electronics and i believe by Comptons This is why the puppet boxes had
the license warning on them.
Although it is possible that some owners could now have made their
larger displays into pay to watch this was never the intention for
ther use

enamel paint was used for Pelham puppets in England there are two
sorts of model paint on the market that i know of Humbrol and Airfix
both available in the model sections of good toy shops.
maybe our American friends on this can let us know whats available in
the states

although not doubting in anyway that spinning puppets unwinds the
strings ,i seem to remember that the pelham instructions said to only
spin one way so if the string was always strung from the same direction
lets say above if you spun the puppet it could in theory tighten the
strings by spinning one way and loosen by spinning the other

Really? So spinning the strings round into one does more harm than
good??? Whats an alternative if you have loose pelham puppets which
you want to store without getting their strings tangled up?

--- In puppetandvintagetoys@..., "Tim S."
<tubbs.tattsyrup@...> wrote:
>
> Well Technically it is supposed to be 18/3 polished linen thread.
>
> It seems that this was used by the saddlery and carpet industries as
> well as show manufacturing. Now it has been replaced with a man made
> and more robust fibre or the process changed altogether so the need
> for it has almost disappeared.
> The only area still using it seems to be book binding.
>
> You can get 18/4 which is slightly thicker as it has four strands in
> its make up but poses problems because the knots are slightly bigger
> etc and it does not hang as well as the thinner.
>
> A very experienced puppeteer once told me that the worst thing you
can
> do with the carpet thread is to spin the puppets around on
themselves
> because this opens up the twist of the thread and so breaks it down
> even more quickly. .... Interesting!
>
> --- In puppetandvintagetoys@..., "Mike"
> <jedikngt6294@> wrote:
> >
>
> > --- In puppetandvintagetoys@..., "wizardofporlock"
> > <laski@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In puppetandvintagetoys@..., "pelhampuppetman"
> > > <stagetex@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > A subject always on our minds it seems, I was in John lewis
> > habadashery
> > > > department the other day day and found linen thread
unfortunatley
> > > > only in black 99p for ten metres cheap enough and at least it
pulls
> > > > them together its by a company called coats .com
> > > >
> > > another company making thread is  J WEnzel this time fifteen
metres
> > > for one pound 25 pence apparently its used for platting horses
maines
> > > and tails
> > >
> > Does aqnyone know what the actual thickness of the origionl
string
> > measured out at? Thanks
> >
>

Well Technically it is supposed to be 18/3 polished linen thread.

It seems that this was used by the saddlery and carpet industries as
well as show manufacturing. Now it has been replaced with a man made
and more robust fibre or the process changed altogether so the need
for it has almost disappeared.
The only area still using it seems to be book binding.

You can get 18/4 which is slightly thicker as it has four strands in
its make up but poses problems because the knots are slightly bigger
etc and it does not hang as well as the thinner.

A very experienced puppeteer once told me that the worst thing you can
do with the carpet thread is to spin the puppets around on themselves
because this opens up the twist of the thread and so breaks it down
even more quickly. .... Interesting!

--- In puppetandvintagetoys@..., "Mike"
<jedikngt6294@...> wrote:
>

> --- In puppetandvintagetoys@..., "wizardofporlock"
> <laski@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In puppetandvintagetoys@..., "pelhampuppetman"
> > <stagetex@> wrote:
> > >
> > > A subject always on our minds it seems, I was in John lewis
> habadashery
> > > department the other day day and found linen thread unfortunatley
> > > only in black 99p for ten metres cheap enough and at least it pulls
> > > them together its by a company called coats .com
> > >
> > another company making thread is  J WEnzel this time fifteen metres
> > for one pound 25 pence apparently its used for platting horses maines
> > and tails
> >
> Does aqnyone know what the actual thickness of the origionl string
> measured out at? Thanks
>

--- In puppetandvintagetoys@..., "wizardofporlock"
<laski@...> wrote:
>
> --- In puppetandvintagetoys@..., "pelhampuppetman"
> <stagetex@> wrote:
> >
> > A subject always on our minds it seems, I was in John lewis
habadashery
> > department the other day day and found linen thread unfortunatley
> > only in black 99p for ten metres cheap enough and at least it pulls
> > them together its by a company called coats .com
> >
> another company making thread is  J WEnzel this time fifteen metres
> for one pound 25 pence apparently its used for platting horses maines
> and tails
>
Does aqnyone know what the actual thickness of the origionl string
measured out at? Thanks

Well I am sorry you have also had a run in with the attitude from that
site and some of its "friendly" but highly delusional members.
There are a growing amount of people who seem to have also fallen foul
of a certain "faces" antics, so if I were you I would wear it as a
badge of honour.
I suspect it is especially galling when it's part of your business and
possibly doing it harm by showing pictures of it half finished.
Then just to be shrugged off as if there is no implication.
I should not be surprised though having seen the badly restored and
doctored goods sold as genuine items over ebay, It seems scruples are
scant in certain peoples minds.

As for the prices at the moment on ebay, They are pretty extreme in
areas, and this can spill out onto the Antiques Market, oh well at
least some sellers are going to have a good christmas.

Now i'm just gonna route out an old minipup ceasar and a jumpette
florence and then book my ticket on a round the world cruise.....

and there again ... maybe not!


--- In puppetandvintagetoys@..., "pelhampuppetman"
<stagetex@...> wrote:
>
> i see a lot of stuff missing off one of the new pelham sites taken down
> because of copyright infringement but when i complained about my work
> being used on said site i was removed from the members list and told
> this is a friendly group and we don,t want trouble makers on here the
> picture in question was used out of context and with know explanation
> as to what it was ,it was a picture showing the building and development
> of the museum and i felt it was damaging to the museum showing half
> empty shelves .The response to that was i thought it was a nice picture.
> Change of subject
>  I was at Ally Pally Antiques Fair yesterday slightly disapionted to
> find only two PP,s out of over 600 stalls but had a look any way
> one was a 1950's prince charming the other a 1950's poodle
> the prince charming was in amazing condition except for the string thick
> heavy white stuff, the poodle a white one with rabbit fur, had badly
> tangled strings the price each (now i hope you are all sitting down
> using your computers)
> was an amazing ninety five pounds each as the dealer told me i must
> have reacted in total shock because she then stated they are old ones
> any way i stood my ground and had a chat about them and she admitted
> that they don't know a lot about pp,s and had paid very highly for them
> she did say she was open to offers so i said i rather not as i would
> not like to insult her
>

i see a lot of stuff missing off one of the new pelham sites taken down
because of copyright infringement but when i complained about my work
being used on said site i was removed from the members list and told
this is a friendly group and we don,t want trouble makers on here the
picture in question was used out of context and with know explanation
as to what it was ,it was a picture showing the building and development
of the museum and i felt it was damaging to the museum showing half
empty shelves .The response to that was i thought it was a nice picture.
Change of subject
  I was at Ally Pally Antiques Fair yesterday slightly disapionted to
find only two PP,s out of over 600 stalls but had a look any way
one was a 1950's prince charming the other a 1950's poodle
the prince charming was in amazing condition except for the string thick
heavy white stuff, the poodle a white one with rabbit fur, had badly
tangled strings the price each (now i hope you are all sitting down
using your computers)
was an amazing ninety five pounds each as the dealer told me i must
have reacted in total shock because she then stated they are old ones
any way i stood my ground and had a chat about them and she admitted
that they don't know a lot about pp,s and had paid very highly for them
she did say she was open to offers so i said i rather not as i would
not like to insult her

--- In puppetandvintagetoys@..., "pelhampuppetman"
<stagetex@...> wrote:
>
> these seem to be in the news a lot lately PP sites come and go just
> google pelham puppets and ignore all the ebay crap mostly out of date
> anyway plus other auction sites there, are loads of sites all giving
> information on PP,s some is original some is blatantly copied from other
> sites i have even seen some just quote word for word from the old
> testament.
> Sites that use other peoples work including photo,s script and even
> ebay photo,s where not credited to the original owner, or used with
> out permission
>     WELL ONLY THING TO SAY ABOUT THEM

>        IS IMITATION IS THE HIGHEST form of FLATTERY
>


LOL do you think that could stand up in a law court?

"yeah your honour, I know I stole everybody elses work, mixed it up
with un researched nonsense of my own and then copyrighted as being
all my own work but i'm not nasty and deceitful, it's everyone else
who is nasty your honour"

I realise that we all use reference sources and will always be quoting
from this and that source etc which is where I think the saying stems
from but if Imitation is the highest form of flattery, this is like
Frakensteins monster gatecrashing your own party and pretending to be you.

these seem to be in the news a lot lately PP sites come and go just
google pelham puppets and ignore all the ebay crap mostly out of date
anyway plus other auction sites there, are loads of sites all giving
information on PP,s some is original some is blatantly copied from other
sites i have even seen some just quote word for word from the old
testament.
Sites that use other peoples work including photo,s script and even
ebay photo,s where not credited to the original owner, or used with
out permission
     WELL ONLY THING TO SAY ABOUT THEM
        IS IMITATION IS THE HIGHEST form of FLATTERY

I got my copy in the post this morning well worth the wait although all
  the squabling i just sat back and waited i ordered mine wednesday and
got it today friday have hardly put it down exept to eat and type this
thanks david i remember three to four years back when i first found
your site it was called premsol then it mentioned a new book now
finally its here brilliant whens the next one
steve

The book has been available since last Monday. Many people already have
a copy. there have been no problems or delays, the publishing date was
27 October.

Just quickly checked that the seller of those puppets wasn't a member
of this group whilst I was saying what I would/wouldn't say.....phew,
thankfully he isn't....LOL.

Hi Steve, I know the confrontation started to get a bit out of hand.
There are loads of things I found out about the seller which I could
say but I'll shut up for now unless anything is said about me again. I
heard about the facebook thing as a notice was sent out but I didn't
have any involvement with that. You're welcome to my yahoo site though
lol. Best Wishes!                                            Jamie

No just shoot you down in flames when you pop up on a serious note
read carefully what both parties said in that confrontation theres
some truth about both parties out there did you realise i was thrown
off the facebook site because i dared complain about my pictures being
used without permission!? no wonder its a freindly site its members
are not aloud an opinion

I suppose my firewood phrase will probably be used against me
now...............LOL.

any one got any coal its cheaper than puppets

Although the new book on Pelham Puppets will not be available until the
end of this month, October, you can now place your advance Order for a
signed, dated and numbered copy from www.traditionalpuppets.co.uk
Go to "Story of Pelham Puppets Introduction" and scroll to bottom of
the page.

Open message to you all. The date I have been given for the release of
the book is Oct 27. It will be available from my new website and
bookshops in the UK and USA and I believe Canada. The publisher is
Crowood Press.
The date of the website going live is: I do not know!
All I know is that it is in the finishing stages and I hope it will be
up and running later this week. When it is I will let you all know.
What I can tell you, is that, in fact it will never really be complete!
I intend to update it every few weeks to keep it fresh and lively.
There will be a discussion forum, a quarterly edition of PELPUP NEWS
21, (there will be a small annual subscription charge for this) there
is the puppetry shop, several sections about the history, a Pelham
Puppet parade, that will be added to as an ongoing project.
Our aim is to make it the Home of Pelham Puppets with pages that I hope
will interest collectors and part of it will be the section where the
new puppets and associated items, new book of plays, props scenery
etc., will be obtainable.
It will all happen in stages, not all at once. A huge amount of work
has gone into the whole project, I have had a great amount of support
from several people and, whilst I know, "you cannot please all the
people all of the time, we will try to please most people, most of the
time!"
If you think you are having a hard time waiting for all this to happen,
try and imagine what it is like for poor little ol' me!
Anyway, thank you all for your comments and for your interest in my
efforts, but I must add that several people have helped greatly with
this, it is not, and I will never claim it to be, one man's work.

Mike:I have ordered my book from Amazo,co,uk And yes it will ship to the U.S. I
didn't use
the express shipping on the count that the book is not in yet.... I figured I
have to wait a
few weeks for them to get it themselves -  What's one more week added onto that.
Also.
there was talk that you could get it from David L. himself. But, I couldn't find
a link so I
went ahead and pre-ordered my copy. Come December I would like to order directly
from
Mr Leech. (I figure the cut is 50/50 with retail) He should get the most for his
work. I plan
on giving them as Christmas presents to the people I incesently bug already with
Puppet
speak. All except my Sister , who is wonderful, and is now starting a collection
herself and
making puppets with me. Did you know that she is casting Pad Hands out of lead,
and
early regular hands out of aluminium . Oh Yeah, does anyone need some hands?
Frank

> Hello, I live in the USA and I have been trying to find stores or sites that
will be selling
the new book, but I have not been able to find any. Will the new book be sold on
the new
site or is there a vendor in the UK that will ship it to the USA? Cheers, Mike
Abraham. P.S. (
I can't wait for the new site to go live either, it is a little bit like an
early Christmas for all
of us! )
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: David Leech <david@...>
> To: puppetandvintagetoys@...
> Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2008 1:53:20 PM
> Subject: [puppetandvintagetoys] New website
>
>
> I have requested that I do not want anybody taking sneak previews of
> the new site until it goes live. I do not want anyone giving out the
> address until it is complete, which should be within the next week.
> David
>

I have not and will not pass on the new web site address, this was
given to me in confidence by david at my open weekend at porlock weir

Its like waiting for Christmas to come... My aunt told me that when she was a
little girl, she
snuck down and opened all the christmas gift to see what everyone had gotten.
She
rewrapped the gift ,but,  got the tags all wrong. That year my Grandfather got a
tea cosy and
a ladies bonnet.... There was a lot of explaining to do.... I will exercise my
patience here and
avoid a similar mishap.By the way: Thank you for all you are doing for us, and I
can't wait to
get the book!
Frank

I have requested that I do not want anybody taking sneak previews of
the new site until it goes live.  I do not want anyone giving out the
address until it is complete, which should be within the next week.
David