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Reply | Forward Message #1519 of 1993 |
RE: [SmallHolding] E-petition to allow building on agricultural land

Hi Roger



I like the idea of this petition in principle, but do you think it could be
open to abuse? I wonder if something like this ever went ahead, whether
there would be limitations to the type of building that was allowed to be
built on the land, i.e. eco, or built for specified occupancy etc? Also I
expect it would differ from planning dept to planning dept. We are in the
New Forest here, but border East Dorset, trying to obtain planning from NFDC
is blooming difficult, but much much easier in East Dorset. Anyway, just my
2p worth!!!



Would you like me to forward this to the Smallholding and Self Sufficiency
list too?



Regards

Karen





From: smallholding@... [mailto:smallholding@...]
On Behalf Of Pat Walker
Sent: 06 August 2007 21:01
To: smallholding@...
Subject: [SmallHolding] E-petition to allow building on agricultural land



I have started a petition to ask the Prime Minister to consider allowing the
building of a private house on agricultural land under certain
circumstances.
The petition reads:
We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to allow building of private
dwellings on agricultural land under the following circumstances:.
That the landowner is committed to using the land for the purpose of a small
farming activity such as the keeping of rare breed poultry or livestock to
conserve and maintain the breed. Or pursue a self-sufficient lifestyle by
growing their own food and raise livestock for their own consumption. Or
conservation of the countryside by maintaining an environment for native
wildlife and plants/trees and include such traditional activities such as
dry-stone walling, hedge laying, coppicing etc. Also that the
development/activities on the land do not necessarily constitute a
'business' and do not have to raise an income to support and sustain the
residence as the current legislation requires. The following benefits would
result from smallholders being allowed to build a residence on their
agricultural holding: 1)Existing property would be available for sale
bringing more much needed houses on to the market. 2)Environmental
improvements as less car journeys would be made between home and
agricultural holding. 3)Improvement in animal welfare as livestock keepers
would be on hand 24 hours a day to tend to their animals, especially at such
times as lambing/calving season etc.

If you agree with my petition please visit the following website and sign
up:
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Rural-dwellings/

Cheers

Roger

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I have started a petition to ask the Prime Minister to consider allowing the building of a private house on agricultural land under certain circumstances. The...
Pat Walker
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Aug 6, 2007
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Hi Roger I like the idea of this petition in principle, but do you think it could be open to abuse? I wonder if something like this ever went ahead, whether ...
Karen
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Aug 6, 2007
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I think before people jump in and try to move things in their favour, they should consult the local Authority By-Laws which can be found in any Library. Trying...
John
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Aug 7, 2007
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I definitely think it has to be lifetime planning permission (which is what I believe Ben Law got) and no mains services, so effectively eco building, and no...
Jackie Bridgen
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Aug 6, 2007
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sorry, but that was spoken by someone who has, I think, not tried as we have to obtain a county council farm. most councils are selling them off to townie...
Jackie Bridgen
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Jackie Are you on the Hampshire Estates list? They send me details of County Farms every so often. I'll see if I can dig out the url if you are interested.. ...
Karen
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Well I'll send it anyway, in case anybody else is interested in having a butcher's!!! http://www.estatespractice.hants.gov.uk/COUNTYFARMS.html There is other...
Karen
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I understand where you're coming from Jackie. We tried on a number of occassions to rent land and County Council Farms in Cheshire but as you can imagine land...
John
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Aug 9, 2007
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I am indeed, and they are one of the very few councils still with reasonable holdings. By and large though, Council holdings are dairy, (and if you can afford...
Jackie Bridgen
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Ah okay *LOL* J Karen x From: smallholding@... [mailto:smallholding@...] On Behalf Of Jackie Bridgen Sent: 07 August 2007 12:57 ...
Karen
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Sorry Jackie I responded to your previous message before reading this one. I forget, I suppose, that when we lived in the UK some 16yrs ago that there was more...
John
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Aug 10, 2007
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John, could I also ask you to explain this? There are of course restrictions on farmgate sales, as there are restrictions on the sales of all goods, but 'a...
Jackie Bridgen
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I have been led to believe that in the UK to do Farmgate sales you now have to be licensed? I have had this from a number of sources who tell me they now sell...
John
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Hi Karen , I am Rogers wife and we have had our smallholding for 14 years. We have tried for planning on our land with no joy .After going through our MP we...
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Aug 7, 2007
5:40 pm

Hi Pat What do they term as a "viable" business then? Can they offer you any examples where it has worked for others? Yes I've seen the North Yorkshire...
Karen
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The viable business thing is a bit of a joke, especially their definition of viable! Blimey, if we earned that kind of money, we'd retire! jackie ... From:...
Jackie Bridgen
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Hi Karen , By viable income this is supposed to be your main income that you live off. Farmers can not survive so how do they expect smallholders. We are lucky...
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Aug 8, 2007
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Hi Pat Ah, and farmers can get grants too!!! Could you take WWOOFers??? Have you been advised to make enquiries of the European Courts or a European body ...
Karen
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It's a royal pain is how it works, especially this time of year, shutting up chickens !!!!! jackie ... From: "Karen" <karence@...> Is your land very...
Jackie Bridgen
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Also have you contacted Simon Fairlie at TLIO? He already started one! Jackie ... From: "Karen" <karence@...> To: <smallholding@...> ...
Jackie Bridgen
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Hi Jackie What a revolution??? J They do sound a bit scary, this is the Chapter 7 people isn't it? Thanks for the reassurances otherwise!!! Take care, Karen...
Karen
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Aug 9, 2007
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Oops forgot the link http://www.tlio.org.uk/ Jackie...
Jackie Bridgen
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By the way he's very nice and approachable and helpful, and not a bit as scary as he sounds when you read about him taking on planning authorities single...
Jackie Bridgen
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Aug 9, 2007
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Yep, a revolution! LOL jackie x ... From: "Karen" <karence@...> To: <smallholding@...> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:50 PM ...
Jackie Bridgen
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Hi Karen , If we don't get a positive response from the government the next step will be the EU. I really object to being told we have to make money from the...
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