I'd have to agree with you on that one Jackie...


Cheers
John...


--- In smallholding@..., "Jackie Bridgen"
<jackiebridgen@...> wrote:
>
> You wouldn't get it for £5k round here. More like £25k if it has
any
> equestrian potential, and Karen's in Hampshire, I think, prime
horse
> country. Also, why would he want to sell it?!
> If you're renting, it also depends on who's claiming the sfp on it -
if he
> is, he'd be a bit cheeky to charge you a big rent, as he's already
being
> paid for it.
> If he IS claiming the sfp, entry level stewardship or any other
payments,
> you also have to ascertain what you are allowed to do (ie if it's
pasture,
> technically, you need permission to plough up even a quarter of an
acre, or
> lose the relevant amount of sfp) and of course if it is in els, and
he's
> agreed not to plough up anything within whatever it is (9 meters?)
of the
> hedge, that can fox your pox a bit on a little plot! On the other
hand, if
> like our landlord he has about a gazillion acres, frankly no one's
going to
> take a blind bit of notice if you make an allotment on one of them.
Although
> be warned, technically they still can play up and all it takes is a
> jobsworth at the rpa to have a bad day!
> If you do take the tenancy, do get it in writing! And believe it or
not,
> it's worth joining the Tenant Farmers Association, they are
absolutely
> brilliant, and if you rang them with all these questions they'd
answer the
> lot for you, draw up a draft agreement, and probably think of
something else
> we've forgotten!
> Jackie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John" <cushyinireland@...>
> To: <smallholding@...>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:26 AM
> Subject: [SmallHolding] Re: Land!
>
>
>
> Karen you ask:
>
> I'd be grateful if you could let me know of any pitfalls to avoid
> when renting land, what my responsibilities will be, whether I will
> be able to plant things on what is, I'm presuming, pastureland
etc.".
>
> Firstly you must come to an arrangement with him as to how how long
> you would want the land for! Most landowners would prefer a minium
> let of say 3yrs rather than a year, the longer the better for you
> really and possibly cheaper if he has a contract.
>
> You must disclose how you intend to use the land, be it for Grazing
> or the need for arable/Cropping etc.. He may only want to let is as
> grazing in most cases. Establish if you can keep any Hay you cut off
> the land during the Tenure. (Some prefer grazing for only part of
the
> year so as they can get a cut of Hay or Silage off it for
themselves).
>
> "He said the hedges were a bit scrappy, so I should have asked
> whether that is my responsibility or his!"
>
> This depends on the use of the land, If you take it for say 3-5yrs
> you will be expected to secure the boundary for your own use if you
> have animals on it. Such as an electric fence in the case of horses
> or Cattle. Hedgelaying could be an alternative but it can also be
> expensive if only for short term lets.
>
> If you can get it for nothing more than "Allotment style use" then
> the security is not so much of a problem is it?
>
> YOU are liable for the securing and insurance of any animals held
> within the boundaries of the land during "Letting". He is only
> responsible for the boundaries being as those defined in the letting
> and that you are fully aware of the condition of such.
>
> If you initially rent the ground as Grazing land and then Till it,
> you are responsible for returning the land to him "on completion of
> the Let" in the condition it was originally rented to you. Any Crop
> that you have sowed and profit therefrom could become his to dispose
> of in order to finance the return of the land to it's original
> condition prior to the let (eg. buying grass seed and paying for it
> to be sowed etc.).
>
> Just one or two things for you to consider in the negotiations, BUT
> get it in writing!
>
> If he is not intending to do anything with the land in the near
> future why not try and buy it off him?
>
> Agricultural land? £5,000 or so should get it for you (maybe?)...
>
>
> Cheers
> John
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Should I insist on a proper agreement? Do I need insurance if I
have
> > livestock?
>
> --- In smallholding@..., "Karen" <karence@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> >
> >
> > I've been offered some land by a local farmer, but he wants me to
> tell him
> > how much it is worth to me and to get back to him!!! I've no
> idea - help!
> > There is 1.33 acres, not a huge amount to most I'm sure, but a
good
> amount
> > for me having been inspired by Rosamund Young (only read her blog
> so far,
> > not her book), so I feel we must take up the offer.
> >
> >
> >
> > However, I'd be grateful if you could let me know of any pitfalls
> to avoid
> > when renting land, what my responsibilities will be, whether I
will
> be able
> > to plant things on what is, I'm presuming, pastureland etc. He
> said the
> > hedges were a bit scrappy, so I should have asked whether that is
my
> > responsibility or his!
> >
> >
> >
> > Should I insist on a proper agreement? Do I need insurance if I
> have
> > livestock?
> >
> >
> >
> > Any pointers to websites which go into detail on this subject
> appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Karen (Excited of Hampshire!)
> >
> > x
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
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