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Re: reality and false reality

I really enjoyed your introductory post, Dean.

Dean said:

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The loop in the false reality is very subtle and difficult to point out as logic can't point it out. it exists beyond logic. And even if you do see the glitch that the false reality has covered up to it's best ability. Your unable to question it's reality because your stuck in the false manifestations that hides the real potential stolen from you. Even the false reality is real, but it convinces your mind to conform to false patterns. Which steals your potential. Creating a prison. It does something to your mind that makes it conform and imprison itself.

I have also found trends that demonstrate this false reality is totally determined by a certain cause and effect process of it's own beyond cause and effect. Determined by what you decide about the false reality. As I have been becoming aware of this, my life situation dramatically changed as if by some magic. I found it was directly relating to my thoughts! As if the false reality is trying to assimilate me out of it. So it is trying to get rid of the thought forms that make up these decisions about this false reality to eliminate it's existence.

This is why so many honest good seekers end up with nothing but suffering and a hard time. The false reality is punishing them for trying to discover and get past it. While the delusional apathetic people who love material rewards, are raised up within the false reality and rewarded by not caring about truth. And magically end up with everything in their hands. The false reality gives them rewards for deciding in an artificial way, to deny truth. This has the effect of destroying and feeding off their souls. Those that resist being meals of the false reality. Encounter great resistance. Because they are not giving there energy away and vitalizing them self against the false reality. This heads them in the direction of getting out of the gravity pull of the false reality. The false reality tries very hard to get a meal out of you and feed off self imprisoning thoughts. And make you think certain ways.

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Chris:

There is a mechanism in this world which limits us, which knocks down everything we build up, which destroys everything we create, finishes everything we begin. It makes this world into a prison. But it is there for a sufficient reason: the consciousness which we use to create, to build up, to start things, our I-consciousness, is a terrible travesty of the consciousness that mankind once had, and if we had free and limitless use of it we would destroy ourselves very quickly.

You have spotted that it doesn't seem to affect some people as much as others, I see! Some people learn to go with the flow, they learn to see what is happening and work out how to make the most of it for their purposes. But they haven't defeated it, it catches up with them in the end, all they have succeeded in doing is slowing the process down. There's nothing liberating about that, it just takes them a little longer to walk round the perimeter of their prison cell, that's all. And from my perspective, it's much more constructive to measure your prison cell as quickly as possible, and then start making escape plans.

There are two ways to get past this guardian of our world, this nemesis that we face. One is to sink down below the level of consciousness at which it operates – if you spent all your time semi-conscious, it wouldn't bother you at all :- )  But by the time we reach the point where we realise that the world that we see around us is actually a prison, it is a bit too late  and that is no longer a viable solution for us.

And the other method is described in the first Harry Potter book, which you haven't yet read, I understand.

Dean said:

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Those that resist being meals of the false reality. Encounter great resistance. Because they are not giving there energy away and vitalizing them self against the false reality. This heads them in the direction of getting out of the gravity pull of the false reality. The false reality tries very hard to get a meal out of you and feed off self imprisoning thoughts. And make you think certain ways.

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You make the point here that the resistance we show  when we are trying to keep ourselves from being made a meal of, not only doesn't work, it also has the effect of sapping our energy. It wears us out.

Jo Rowling shows this power being recognised by the seeker for the first time, and defeated.

I'll quote the relevant passage from Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. Harry, Ron and Hermione, the soul, the personality and the mind respectively, are just in the process of jumping through a trapdoor (in their reality):

     And Harry let go. Cold, damp air rushed past him as he fell down, down, down and-

     FLUMP. With a funny, muffled sort of thump he landed on something soft. He sat up and felt around, his eyes not used to the gloom. It felt as though he was sitting on some sort of plant.

     `It's OK!' he called up to the light the size of a postage stamp which was the open trapdoor. `It's a soft landing, you can jump!'

     Ron followed straight away. He landed sprawled next to Harry.

     `What's this stuff?' were his first words?

     `Dunno, sort of plant thing. I suppose it's here to break the fall. Come on, Hermione!'

     The distant music stopped. There was a loud bark from the dog, but Hermione had already jumped. She landed on Harry's other side.

      We must be miles under the school,' she said.

     `Lucky this plant thing's here, really,' said Ron.

     `Lucky!' shrieked Hermione. `Look at you both!'

     She leapt up and struggled towards a damp wall. She had to struggle because the moment she had landed, the plant had started to twist snake-like tendrils around her ankles. As for Harry and Ron, their legs had already been bound tightly in long creepers without their noticing.

     Hermione had managed to free herself before the plant got a firm grip on her. Now she watched in horror as the two boys fought to pull the plant off them, but the more they strained against it, the tighter and faster the plant wound around them.

     `Stop moving!' Hermione ordered them. `I know what this is – it's Devil's Snare!'

     `Oh, I'm so glad we know what it's called, that's a great help,' snarled Ron, leaning back, trying to stop the plant curling round his neck.

     `Shut up, I'm trying to remember how to kill it!' said Hermione.

     `Well, hurry up, I can't breathe!' Harry gasped, wrestling with it as it curled around his chest.

     `Devil's Snare, Devil's Snare … What did Professor Sprout say? It likes the dark and the damp –`

     `So light a fire!' Harry choked.

     `Yes – of course – but there's no wood!' Hermione cried, wringing her hands.

     `HAVE YOU GONE MAD?' Ron bellowed. `ARE YOU A WITCH OR NOT?'

     `Oh, right!' said Hermione, and she whipped out her wand, waved it, muttered something and sent a jet of the same bluebell flames she had used on Snape at the plant. In a matter of seconds, the two boys felt it loosening its grip as it cringed away from the light and warmth. Wriggling and flailing, it unraveled itself from their bodies and they were able to pull free.

     `Lucky you pay attention in Herbology, Hermione,' said Harry as he joined her by the wall, wiping sweat off his face.

     `Yeah, said Ron, `and lucky Harry doesn't lose his head in a crisis – "there's no wood", honestly.'

The seeker, who is the combination of Harry, Ron and Hermione here, has just slipped outside normal reality for the first time, and immediately the force of nemesis comes into play, to prevent  him or her. Hermione the mind can see what is going on, and can work out what is happening. She tells the soul and the personality to stop struggling, because she recognises that the plant only imprisons them while they struggle, but they are unable to do so. So the mind conjures fire and frees them that way.

There are two techniques to liberation, and Hermione the mind is using them both here. The first one is self-surrender: if you stop fighting, the snare will not imprison you. Put another way, if you give up pursuit of your own desires completely, the prison cannot hold you. The second one is the desire for liberation, for yourself and for all mankind. If it is strong enough, stronger than everything else in the seeker's mind, stronger than any other desire the seeker has, it is a fire that will burn the snare away. Use both techniques together, and nothing can hold you back.

Hans describes both techniques in his post. In fact, he first taught me how to use them, he's an excellent teacher.    

Incidentally, I just noticed this: `I suppose it's here to break the fall'. In fact, the limiting power of nemesis is there for exactly that purpose, to break up everything that man creates after The Fall, the original expulsion of Adam from the Garden of Eden. And `Devil's Snare': it is there to snare the escaping devil, the fallen angel Lucifer, to limit his sphere of influence and to prevent him doing further damage. I find that Jo Rowling is usually very obvious and direct in her use of symbolism, once we learn to pay attention to her magical use of words.   

Chris



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Thanks to Hans for inviting me. I would post an intro again but It's over at the harry potter group for those interested. I'll just say something strange. To...
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Thanks, Dean, for your sharing your thoughts with us. People have been theorising about philosophy for thousands of years. There's nothing wrong with that....
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I really enjoyed your introductory post, Dean. ... The loop in the false reality is very subtle and difficult to point out as logic can't point it out. it...
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Thanks Hans, And finally, someone who is posting appropriately to me. It's usually irritating when others attempt to teach and post not knowing anything about...
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Dean Jenkins <deantj2007@...> wrote: Is there any particular reason for the fall, and that we can't remember the liberated state where we fell from? I...
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Hans many interesting thoughts, I feel like I need a solid foundation to understand the basis of it. So I am going to comment a few things for me personally to...
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Dean Jenkins <deantj2007@...> wrote: My first interesting note is this concept of time. That the fall is within time manifested as if it were a...
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your right. Our intentions are the most important thing. Thanks for the post I enjoyed reading it....
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My personal favourite description and explanation of the Fall has to be the Poimandres, or Pymander, from the Corpus Hermeticum. In it, Pymander, the divine...
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I had spent a long long time trying to understand the whole reason behind the fall. Like Dean I was continuously trying to understand how the fall happened in...
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Hi Dean You said: That was very interesting. Is there any particular reason for the fall, and that we can't remember the liberated state where we fell from? I...
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... And finally, someone who is posting appropriately to me. < Chris: I recognise a certain pattern in what you say, which concurs with my own experience. ... ...
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