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Re: Multiple SYMBOLDEFs problem

Mike -

This is caused by editing a symbol in the symbol editor, then placing a few
symbols on the schematic, then further editing the symbol in the symbol editor,
then placeing a few more, etc.

Each time that the symbol is edited and becomes slightly different, it should
get a new symbolid even though it still carries the same name. This is done on
purpose and is desirable for a number of reasons that I won't go into here.

It is up to the user to synchronize these various revision levels of a single
symbol by right clicking on one of the older ones from the schematic editor, and
then selecting "Replace Symbol". Select the appropriate symbol to replace the
old one with (presumably the same named symbol that is a newer version), select
"This symbol only" or "All symbols on sheet" (of the same name, of course).
There is a checkbox that says "Carry over attributes that were defined in the
library". This will cause parameters to revert back to their default values.
Unchecking this box will permit the parameters to retain any custom edits that
you have performed from the schematic editor.

If you have several different versions of the same symbol on your schematic, you
may have to repeat this for each grouping that originated from a different
version of the symbol.

You will also have to repeat this process for each sheet in the design because
the updates apply only to the current sheet.

Most designers that are making a series of edits to their symbols try to keep up
with the updates each time that they revise the contents of a symbol to minimize
the problems here.

Let me know if this doesn't fix the problem for you.

Thanks,

Don Lucas





Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:36 pm

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I am struggling with a problem that schematic accumulates multiple SYMBOLDEFs for the same symbol. It is especially dangerous because I changed pin length of...
mkishinevsky
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Jun 23, 2009
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What version of TinyCAD are you using? The .dsn file is an ascii file containing XML statements. If there are actually multiple definitions of a symbol in the...
Don Lucas
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Jun 23, 2009
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It is easy to create this situation in v2.60.01. If you enter a symbol from a library on to a schematic then go into the library/symbol editor and change it...
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Jun 24, 2009
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Phil - I don't see how this particular example can be considered to be a bug. You are describing normal and desireable behavior. Just because a symbol is...
Don Lucas
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Jun 25, 2009
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I wasn't saying it is a bug just explaining how it happens. I was also explaining how to remove the previous entries and thus avoid having all the previous...
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Jun 26, 2009
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Correction. The unused IDs did disappear, but there are still multiple SYMBOLDEFs for the same symbol name, used on different pages.... mike...
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Mike - This is caused by editing a symbol in the symbol editor, then placing a few symbols on the schematic, then further editing the symbol in the symbol...
Don Lucas
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Jun 29, 2009
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I did what you suggested and it worked! I manually right-clicked/Replaced Symbol at every instance - and lo and behold, all extra definitions did go away!...
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Aug 26, 2009
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One way to go here is to add another check in the DRC: X Is the schematic design in sync with the libraries? giving you a list of symbols (may be empty) that...
Magnus Beischer
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Jun 26, 2009
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Somehow, after I got myself into this mess of having large number of different symbol IDs for the same symbol name, it is very difficult to clean up. I only...
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Hi Don, Something is not right. I repeatedly replaced every "RES" symbol on each page of the schematic (3 pages affected), and every time I do this, I get 3...
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I observed a different behavior. On every right click -Replace Symbol instance, in 2.7 a new ID was added, but the old ID never removed, even after all symbols...
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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <!--This file was written by TinyCAD Version 2.70.00 Build #228 Beta Release If you wish to view this file go to...
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Please find attached one of my design files that has this problem. Symbol "RES" has multiple IDs - easy to see in text editor. I think, this started happening...
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