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RE: [Unknown Pleasures] Re: joy division

That was the Atmosphere video, directed by Anton Corbijn, actually, I don't
know very much about it, because I'm rather young, but I've watched it
countless times. They walk around holding many huge photographs taken by
Corbijn [who, by the way, is still alive and well and photographing Travis].

Ian was epileptic, egomanical [of course, all musicians are], and had an
extramarital affair that possibly led to his suicide. The book 'Touching
from a Distance' by Deborah Curtis is a pretty interesting read, probably
biased because you can't write a book about someone you've been married to
without being discriminating, but I don't think any other book is more
informative about Ian's life and psyche.

Michelle.

>From: "jaketheduck18" <jakebutterworth@...>
>Reply-To: unknownpleasures@...
>To: unknownpleasures@...
>Subject: [Unknown Pleasures] Re: joy division
>Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:27:14 -0000
>
>That's very helpful thanks, however the video you are talking about
>and the one i am talking about is different. The one your talking
>about was used when Love Will Tear Us Apart was re-released in 1995
>along with the Joy Division Greatest Hits. The video I am talking
>about is where there are loads of Ku Klux Klan members walking
>around holding up the Love Will Tear Us Apart picture. I'm guessing
>they used the '95 video as having images of the Ku Klux Klan could
>have been taken the wrong way. Another thing, my parents were quite
>big fans of Joy Division and New Order, and my mum once stood next
>to the guitarist at a Cambridge thing, and she remembers him saying
>some quite racist things.
>
>Also what kind of man was Ian Curtis? Obviously he was depressed
>and had a lot of problems, but anything else?
>
>Thanks
>

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Wasn't "New Order" named after Pol Pot's regime? I can't remember where I read that... I think JD/NO only have fascist references to challenge the audience,...
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Apr 16, 2004
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I know New Order's name was after something Rob Gretton read in a newspaper article..what the article was about i can't recall. ... where I ... challenge the ...
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I am pretty sure New Order was Hitler's perfect Nazi state. I really like your taste in music boy_in_eyeliner, you can definitely tell you'r intrested in the...
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I had the previlige to meet Bernard Sumner a while ago, and he said they got the name New Order from Ian's death. They needed to start over musically, on a...
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Apr 17, 2004
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Mmmm...the choice of names for both Joy Division and New Order were always going to be controversial. I think he was right about creating a New Order as a...
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Apr 21, 2004
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I think Joy Division's choice of name was mainly down to Ian. Whereas New Order's choice of name was made mostly on the part of Rob Gretton....
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That was the Atmosphere video, directed by Anton Corbijn, actually, I don't know very much about it, because I'm rather young, but I've watched it countless...
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I'll be different to both of you and choose Unknown Pleasures, although I love all the albums. Unknown Pleasures because Disorder is such a perfect opening...
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Apr 17, 2004
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The version of She's Lost Control from Substance is the 12" version, which was recorded in march 1980. The song was re-recorded for two reasons i believe. 1)...
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The door scene was probably influenced by the photo on the inner cover of Unknown Pleasures, called "the Enchanted Hand", found by young Bernard in an arts...
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Apr 24, 2004
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As i've said..Joy Division's name was inspired by 'The House Of Dolls' book which Ian had read, and New Order's name came from an article Rob Gretto read in a...
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Is it just me, or is interpol so blatently influeced by Joy Division? Can't really blame them. I mean i like Interpol, (have their album which is very good),...
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Apr 27, 2004
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We've discussed Interpol before on this group..yeah they are alot like Joy Division, a bit too much for my liking. Being influenced by a band is one thing, but...
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Actually, i retract my statement. After listening to again to Interpol i don't think they sound that much like Joy Division. And their album sleeve was...
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Interpol doesn't sound that much like joy division to me. They lack the oft frantic, fevered passion that JD brings to their music. As for prefering older...
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I like Interpol I think their the best band to come out in 10 years. Musically Interpol sounds NOTHING like Joy Division, Paul Banks sounds SLIGHTLY like Ian,...
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Apr 30, 2004
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while we're on the subject of Joy Division rip-offs, i think the Manic Street Preachers almost blatantly ripped off 'The Eternal' for their track 'The Intense...
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I quite like Interpol, I think it's a bit unfair that they're targeted as a "poor man's Joy Division" so much. I mean, everyone "rips off" someone, ...
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I think it's a bit unfair to compare An Ideal For Living EP with Interpol's debut. As Deborah Curtis said in 'Touching From A Distance'; if Joy Divison had got...
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Well then do I have a treat for you - Suicide's first album, Suicide. That was in 77. The double CD has the first album on CD1 and CD2 has a CBGB gig from 77...
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May 3, 2004
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Ah, Suicide...i forgot them..i've heard the debut album before and it is really great. The 2nd album is almost as good too. Pere Ubu are another band who were...
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Yeah suicide are pretty darn good. Frankie Teardrop is a genius song, scares the shit out of me, i find it similar to Velvet Underground - The Gift in that...
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what do people here think of PIL (public image limited)? I think the first 2 albums are great post-punk...the 3rd isn't bad either. But 'Metal Box' is a...
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