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[warrebeekeeping] Dark comb. was: Automatic and economic hives by Oscar Perone

Serg wrote:
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> Hi, Bernhard! Have you understood how Oscar refreshes the old combs in
> his hives?
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The comb in the broodnest is untouched, so no refreshing at all. While
modern beekeeping stresses to refresh the comb, older reports show that
some combs have been used for a lifetime, at least for 10 or more years.


The comb is a very important part of a colony, because most time of a
honeybee's life is spent on it. It not only takes the stores, is a brood
chamber and reaction chamber for fermentative processes (i.e. bee
bread), is used for vibrational messages - but is also used for chemical
messages.

Those chemical messages are actually stored into the wax - just as
messages are stored into a brain. So the comb maybe some sort of brain
of the superorganism. Another thing is, that hormones produced by
microbes could be stored into the comb.

So what is continual refreshing doing? It resets the brain all over the
time, so there is just a very short term memory.
What is the shuffeling around of comb doing? It alters the memory or
confuses the bees?


As I statet earlier somewhere, the seasonal input of nectar and pollen
leaves patterns of scents inside the nest of the honeybee. So there is a
nectar and pollen calender imprinted into the comb. Maybe the bees of
the next season actually read this calendar to plan harvest and
reproduction?

Anyway, there is a lot about comb functions we don't know about.


Why is dark comb a taboo today? Maybe the upcoming of illnesses caused
the beekeeper to find a scapegoat. Instead of a wrong hive or bad
treatment, the spreading of "pathogens" through dark comb are made
responsible for the outbreak of diseases.


Very interesting indeed. Maybe it is time to let the superorganism bees
brain become adult again.


Oscar - why are all the ancient hives, being skeps, drums or board hives
are so small? I can't remember seeing a hive that is so huge.
Even the log hives here, are smaller in size:

http://www.ruchetronc.fr/ruche_tronc.php?mn=12

http://www.ruchetronc.fr/ruche_tronc.php?mn=9


Bernhard



Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:22 am

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Hi, Bernhard! Have you understood how Oscar refreshes the old combs in his hives?...
Serg
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Mar 26, 2010
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... The comb in the broodnest is untouched, so no refreshing at all. While modern beekeeping stresses to refresh the comb, older reports show that some combs...
Bernhard Heuvel
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Mar 26, 2010
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Bernhard wrote: "While modern beekeeping stresses to refresh the comb, older reports show that some combs have been used for a lifetime, at least for 10 or...
David Heaf
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Mar 26, 2010
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Thank you, David and Bernhard, that's very interesting. N. Vitvitsky (16.05.1764 - 04.05.1853) wrote that he saw tree trunk hives in wich combs were surely...
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Hi Serg, The problem of most beekeepers is that they NEVER have had on their hives real powerful populations, because the small size of the hives they use,...
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Hi, David, Unfortunately, beekeeping techniques in use worldwide, which comes from ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture, remains theoretical errors. The theoretical...
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... I apologize for the delay in answering your kind message. I wrote an article on my site to answer. Its title is: "Which is the true size of the animal...
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Oscar wrote: "Unfortunately, beekeeping techniques in use worldwide, which comes from ABC and XYZ of Bee Culture, remains theoretical errors. [...] ...
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Hi, Oscar and David! I've read that nice Oscar's article about dark combs and many other things of the sustainable beekeeping. David, I translate these Spanish...
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Ivan wrote: "I'm thinking of the vast cavern above the bees in winter which might affect their thermoregulation in colder regions" I looked at this last april...
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... Thank You very much David ! You are very kind. If I may, I wish to point out that the large populations that fill my hives, working with wealthy person...
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Alex wrote: "...but even if they were allowed to crawl in through the bottom entrance, I suspect they'd still congregate at the top where it's warmest." Yes,...
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Mar 26, 2010
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... Oh, well, I'm so used to trying to think from the honey bees' perspective that "with respect to the bee's requirements" went without saying. Thanks for...
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... Hi, Larry, Can you help me? Could you build one or two hives exactly as recommend order to observe how they behave in their particular conditions zone and...
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Oscar, I could try. It would be interesting...I believe it will take 2 or 3 years before the colony matures to be satisfactory for the way you keep bees and ...
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... Your questions are always very smart. Let me tell you that's exactly what I want I also learn, so I ask you, which is a fine observer, build some hives as...
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Mr, David Heaf, When I wrote what you mention, had not understood correctly what you said, I present my apologies. Oscar Perone Buenos Aires Argentina 00 54...
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