Hi David and John,

John M wrote: "While it might be true that there aren't right angles in nature,
bees regularly set up housekeeping between studs in walls and granaries, in
square chimneys, in old discarded chests- in other words, they are very
adaptable to various types of cavities."

David H wrote: "...But these cavities differ in thermal properties. This means
that, to adapt to some of them, the colony must work harder to bring in the
necessary fuel, especially to survive the winter. In a landscape where fuel is
in superabundance, this may not be a limiting factor, but in landscapes and
climates, like mine, where fuel is in short supply, the shape of the nest cavity
may be critical.

Another possible factor to take into consideration is Varroa's tendency to
multiply better in the cooler parts of the nest. A cavity that the bees can
maintain more uniformly warm may help the bees in their efforts to control
Varroa"

Bees are of course very adaptable. This is the point that conventional Lang
beekeepers put to me when I try to elaborate on why the Warré hive may be a
better hive for the bees than the Langstroth.

However, I tend to agree with David. The ability of a bee colony to choose a
suitable nest site is very important, probably increasingly so with changes in
climatic conditions, loss of diversity/quantity of forage etc. It's part of
their adaptive behaviour. Nature will determine which wild living colonies
survive, due to their various `strengths' - one of  which is their ability to
choose a suitable nest site.

Could we call the influence of the nest site on the evolution of honeybees
epigenetics? The term seems to be used in a fairly narrow way in scientific
papers, but wider definitions state that epigenetics can be used to describe
anything other than DNA sequence that influences the development of a
(super)organism...

Just letting my thoughts run...

All the best,

Tim M

NSW Australia

Here is a hasty translation I have made of an article in this months' Abeilles
et Fleurs
It demonstrates the power of the big chemical companies.


The ' the Council of State's Judgment quashed the refusal of the Minister of
Agriculture to repeal the marketing Authorisations of "Round Up Express" and
denounced the, "scandalously cozy practices of the Department of Agriculture
where agrochemicals are concerned". It is a very strong signal from the High
Court in the direction of the Government.

The decision sanctioned "the omission" in the assessment of the toxicity of the
Round'Up Express of an active substance which is a surfactant on plant, animal
and human membranes, and increases tenfold the penetration and the toxicity of
the product on living beings.

The Council of State said in its judgment, with some amazement, that "it was
known that this substance was typically an active substance in a plant
protection product" and that despite this the AFSSA "made no mention" of this
substance, "neither as an active ingredient nor as a coformulant". and merely
asserted that the only active substance in this product is glyphosate, that the
decision of 26 March 2009 by the agency does not mention (the active substance
omitted) nor do they analyze the effects of this acid in the preparation
"Round'Up Express"

The National Union of French Apiculture believes that this case brings to light
the carelessness or dishonesty of the Ministry of Agriculture when confronting
manufacturers agrochemicals, whose applications for marketing authorization are
satisfied illegally with no serious control of the state or of the AFSSA, now
FANSES.

Bil (Rhone Region)

Bil wrote (re the 'Moulimiel'): "She explained to those of us who had not
used one, that it did not crush the comb but chopped it into small
fragments. (I remember that there was some discussion on the list about the
way it worked.) "

At the bottom of

http://www.dheaf.plus.com/warrebeekeeping/extracting_honey.htm

is a link to Gilles Denis' 'Moulimiel' page with a video of it in action.
There is also a picture of a common kitchen utensil illustrating what I
believe is the principle of action of the 'Moulimiel', and a link to a
picture of Oscar Perone's equivalent contraption.

Max, this might interest you if you are considering extracting honey from
comb without spinning it.

Thanks Bil for this most interesting update. I hope those customers waiting
have not paid in advance! I notice on Gilles' new homepage that he now
emphasises the non-frame aspect of his beekeeping.

Bil: "I think it's really positive that there is a professional warré
beekeeper who is now an inspector."

What is her name?
__________________________________________

David Heaf            North-West Wales, UK
Warré & 'National' hives at 30 metres OMSL
Warré beekeeping English web portal:
http://warre.biobees.com/index.html
David Heaf's beekeeping pages:
http://www.bee-friendly.co.uk
__________________________________________

Denise wrote: "I used a queen excluder on one but not the other."

Presumably after moving the queen down onto comb in the Warré?

Denise: "How will I know if they have started to draw comb in the Warre
boxes below?"

As it seems you do not have a Warré with windows you could ensure the
transfer box and Warré top box are firmly fixed to each other and lift or
tilt the top box and look underneath. Otherwise it may be best to let them
get on with it. If you have access to a lift you could lift the whole hive
up and shine a lamp up to see how things are going.

Denise: "I am looking for suggestions on how to get a look inside the warre
boxes in the least disruptive manner."

It is not too late to use an electric hole saw to cut a neat 2" spyhole in
the box. The bees will not like it, but you could do it in the evening while
a mesh is placed over the entrance. Here is an example of Dav's
spyhole/entrance setup:

http://warre.biobees.com/croteau.htm
__________________________________________

David Heaf            North-West Wales, UK
Warré & 'National' hives at 30 metres OMSL
Warré beekeeping English web portal:
http://warre.biobees.com/index.html
David Heaf's beekeeping pages:
http://www.bee-friendly.co.uk
__________________________________________

Tim Malfroy wrote: "Could we call the influence of the nest site on the
evolution of honeybees epigenetics? The term seems to be used in a fairly
narrow way in scientific papers, but wider definitions state that
epigenetics can be used to describe anything other than DNA sequence that
influences the development of a (super)organism..."

Yes, I also tend to use the term to include anything inherited that lies
outside the DNA. But then comes the problem of where the boundary lie.
Perhaps there is no boundary. The honey bee is unthinkable without the
cosmos which contains it. It inherits the natural circumstances, including
the cavities, tree or rock.

A further thought on departures from the original design of the People's
Hive: Warré's aim was to come up with something more or less anyone could
build and run. So when one is getting into complex woodwork as necessitated
by the non-square vertical top-bar hives, one is excluding a proportion of
people who could make such hives. One could make a Warré with a hammer,
handsaw and square. To that list I had to add a Makita planer with a fence
et to 11.25 degrees to make the Bralet hive. They cost about £180 GBP a
price which would cover making about 36 Warré boxes.

Having said that, Bralet hive boxes could be sold as flat packs complete
with 2 bands. The staves would be very cheap to mass produce on precision
woodworking machinery. Anyone could assemble a Bralet box in less than 5
minutes given a flat surface to work on. It takes me much longer to put the
28 nails in my Warré box sides while maintaining the whole thing square.
__________________________________________

David Heaf            North-West Wales, UK
Warré & 'National' hives at 30 metres OMSL
Warré beekeeping English web portal:
http://warre.biobees.com/index.html
David Heaf's beekeeping pages:
http://www.bee-friendly.co.uk
__________________________________________

The following item was posted by Ramona to Dee Lusby's list

> We've been using clean, plastic 50 lb. grain bags as inner covers -
> the bees propolize the entire bag to the top bars but don't seem to
> react at all when the bag is peeled back.
>
> I've never ripped the bag off really quickly (as in the "fast" band-
> aid approach) but both slower peeling and moderate speed peeling
> result in very calm bees.
>
> What is nice about a flexible inner cover is that you can peel back
> a tiny bit so get an idea of what is going on in the hive but don't
> have to expose the entire box.
>
> The grain bags are woven so they breathe.  I fold back either an
> edge or corner lined up with the entrance so the bees can ventilate
> easier.
>
> At about 60 cents each and the ease of using, I doubt we'll go back
> to a rigid inner cover.
>
> Ramona

I suppose the only snag is plastic in the hive.
__________________________________________

David Heaf            North-West Wales, UK
Warré & 'National' hives at 30 metres OMSL
Warré beekeeping English web portal:
http://warre.biobees.com/index.html
David Heaf's beekeeping pages:
http://www.bee-friendly.co.uk
__________________________________________

In March I wrote: "perhaps I should have said 'quilts were not unknown in
North American
beekeeping'. One source of evidence for this is the following:..."

In addition to my previous examples, I have just found a former 1200-hive
commercial beek in Vermont describing use of quilts in winter:

"...bag of shavings on top of the inner cover to give about 8 cm of
insulation."

Mraz, Charlie (1966) COMMERCIAL HONEY PRODUCTION. Apiacta 1.

This article is also interesting regarding his valuation of queen breeding,
swarming, feeding sugar etc.

Peter Loring Borst has put it for free download at
https://public.me.com/peterlborst1 . (The site does not support the Opera
browser.)

It is full of optical character recognition errors, some of them
entertaining.
__________________________________________

David Heaf            North-West Wales, UK
Warré & 'National' hives at 30 metres OMSL
Warré beekeeping English web portal:
http://warre.biobees.com/index.html
David Heaf's beekeeping pages:
http://www.bee-friendly.co.uk
__________________________________________

Answer is yes it can. Monsanto bought the leading bee research firm.  They
are geeing up for a
fight<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ebdyg7e7fo&list=PL8E81C5C3159FDEA8&index=6\
1&feature=plpp_video>
.

Monsanto recently banned from Poland with one of the primary reasons being
that the company’s genetically modified corn may be devastating the dying
bee population, it is evident that Monsanto is under serious fire for their
role in the downfall of the vital insects.

Read more:
http://naturalsociety.com/monsanto-bee-collapse-buys-bee-research-firm/#ixzz1t0h\
5Azs5


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Bernhard wrote:  Swarm cells grow slowly

Do you know if there are already eggs in those swarm cells ?
I mean... can you see it in the shape/appearence of the queen cell ?

Kind regards,
Frank

Belgium

2012/4/24 zaunreiter <bernhard@...>

> **
>
>
>
> Foundations get drawn out. The combs getting thicker.
> http://immenfreunde.de/pics/24_4_2012/b1.jpg
>
> At work.
> http://immenfreunde.de/pics/24_4_2012/b2.jpg
>
> Hook off, mate!
> http://immenfreunde.de/pics/24_4_2012/b3.jpg
>
> Swarm cells grow slowly.
> http://immenfreunde.de/pics/24_4_2012/b4.jpg
>
> http://immenfreunde.de/pics/24_4_2012/b5.jpg
>
> But get worked on continiously.
> http://immenfreunde.de/pics/24_4_2012/b6.jpg
>
> One full box with honey already filled.
> http://immenfreunde.de/pics/24_4_2012/b7.jpg
>
> Flight studies. I am still struggling with highspeed flash settings and
> all.
>
> http://immenfreunde.de/pics/24_4_2012/a1.jpg
>
> http://immenfreunde.de/pics/24_4_2012/a2.jpg
>
> http://immenfreunde.de/pics/24_4_2012/a3.jpg
>
> http://immenfreunde.de/pics/24_4_2012/a4.jpg
>
> http://immenfreunde.de/pics/24_4_2012/a5.jpg
>
> http://immenfreunde.de/pics/24_4_2012/a6.jpg
>
> http://immenfreunde.de/pics/24_4_2012/a7.jpg
>
> http://immenfreunde.de/pics/24_4_2012/a8.jpg
>
> http://immenfreunde.de/pics/24_4_2012/a9.jpg
>
> The hive box with 4,9 plastic cells is occupied, but haven't seen the
> queen yet, nor do I see any capped brood so far. The cells got a proper
> cleaning, though. Looks nice and smooth. We'll see how it goes.
>
> http://immenfreunde.de/pics/24_4_2012/b8.jpg
>
> Bernhard
>
> Bernhard
>
>
>



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I know someone with such a factory who could make us some up out of organic Wood
if we have a big enough order
If someone could send me details for one stave . I could ask him for a quote
I assume 8 x 4 staves x number of hives
I would get them in bulk and send them in the post

David

Sent from my iPhone

"...bag of shavings on top of the inner cover to give about 8 cm of

insulation."

Had ant nest in shavings quilt again, got out the zippered pillow  cases.
A bag may be a good idea if the ants don’t learn how to unzip.



Dav
Survival of the fittest, (luckiest), depends on how you adept to change.
The Earth is inhospitable to longevity.
"Take me to the moon & *****"

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La mort est dans le pré.

I looked really hard to find a copy of this French film with (english)
subtitles. Unfortunately I could not find it. I also looked around for the mail
adress of the author Eric Guéret, to ask him if there was a version with subs.
Also didn't find that.
I give the link to the original version anyway...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht5Gs2Bxr28&feature=related

... because I feel it is important for conscious people/beekeepers to know that
farmers are not against us. They use pesticides because they know little else.
The financial consequences to change to anything else are huge. The farmers are
victims too! It's good they finally speak.

(On 13 february, a judge in Lyon declared that Monsanto is responsible for a
farmer's disease, does anyone know more about this?)

Luc Pintens
Hapiculture
Belgium

David L wrote: "If someone could send me details for one stave . I could ask
him for a quote"

Thanks for offering. I'm not sure that I'll make another this year and if I
do I may use recycled wood. Mine are 16 staves per box, so I made 48 staves
for 3 boxes and a further 16 short staves for the quilt. By the time one has
bought the wood, bands, straw, cane, and raw linseed oil for the outside it
is not a cheap hive. So adding postage to the wood could increase the cost
further.
__________________________________________

David Heaf            North-West Wales, UK
Warré & 'National' hives at 30 metres OMSL
Warré beekeeping English web portal:
http://warre.biobees.com/index.html
David Heaf's beekeeping pages:
http://www.bee-friendly.co.uk
__________________________________________

--- In warrebeekeeping@..., "David Heaf" <david@...> wrote:
>
> Bil wrote
>  "I think it's really positive that there is a professional warré
> beekeeper who is now an inspector."
>
> What is her name?


  Dear David,
She is Agnès Jousseaume,  She uses a standard commercial warré which she buys
from http://www.ickowicz-apiculture.com .
She uses frames but puts a top bar either side of the center frame. She
explained that this allows the bees to communicate more easily than if she used
only frames. She also warned us not to use the type of top bar which has a slot
through which a sheet of commercial wax  is pushed and then folded over. She
considers this an ideal place for wax moth larvae to hide and pointed out that
with this type of top bar scraping off burr comb would result in the collapse of
the comb underneath!
All in all the day was full of little tips from different members of the group.
Best wishes,
Bil

France, latitude 45.8 Alt. 117m
                    Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail
              Limitez l'impression de vos  documents pour le bien de  notre
planète.

Tim Malfroy wrote: " I use clearer or escape boards sized to Warré
dimensions and it's always worked fine for me, but I have to leave them on
overnight which is a pain for out-apiaries. "

Tim responded off list to my request for details, mentioning how natural
beekeeping is flourishing in Oz. There's a photo of his clearer board on the
bottom of his web page here:

http://www.naturalbeekeeping.com.au/warrehivesproduct.html

I think Tim's escape cporresponds to what in the UK would be called a
Canadian escape:

http://www.dave-cushman.net/bee/canadian.html

Drones are usually present when Tim harvests, but the boxes are usually
stacked up 5 or 6 high when he puts the clearer boards on -- well above the
brood nest where the drones usually are. He has never noticed drones
blocking the escapes. His escape exits are 6mm.

They work quite well -- but he has to leave them on overnight, and sometimes
there are still some bees present in the box. (He just shake these at the
entrance). He has tried tried double-stacking them, but it doesn't seem to
make much difference.
__________________________________________

David Heaf            North-West Wales, UK
Warré & 'National' hives at 30 metres OMSL
Warré beekeeping English web portal:
http://warre.biobees.com/index.html
David Heaf's beekeeping pages:
http://www.bee-friendly.co.uk
__________________________________________

Bil wrote: "She also warned us not to use the type of top bar which has a
slot through which a sheet of commercial wax  is pushed and then folded
over. She considers this an ideal place for wax moth larvae to hide and
pointed out that with this type of top bar scraping off burr comb would
result in the collapse of  the comb underneath!"

That is a Roger Delon modification I believe. I've never used it. The
nearest I ever got was waxing a narrow strip of foundation into a 2 mm
groove in the top-bar, which is a Guillaume modification. After I tried
Warré's method of waxing top bars I never used Guillaume's again.
__________________________________________

David Heaf            North-West Wales, UK
Warré & 'National' hives at 30 metres OMSL
Warré beekeeping English web portal:
http://warre.biobees.com/index.html
David Heaf's beekeeping pages:
http://www.bee-friendly.co.uk
__________________________________________

That's interesting because I went on a TBH beekeeping course here and the guy
taking the course uses that black woven landscaping fabric and said the same
things as Ramona did. I wasn't too sure and wondered about condensation - the
fabric presumably wicks moisture away whereas the plastic might not????

But I still have no bees so I can't try anything for real yet!

--- In warrebeekeeping@..., "David Heaf" <david@...> wrote:
>
> The following item was posted by Ramona to Dee Lusby's list
>
> > We've been using clean, plastic 50 lb. grain bags as inner covers -
> > the bees propolize the entire bag to the top bars but don't seem to
> > react at all when the bag is peeled back.
> >
> > I've never ripped the bag off really quickly (as in the "fast" band-
> > aid approach) but both slower peeling and moderate speed peeling
> > result in very calm bees.
> >
> > What is nice about a flexible inner cover is that you can peel back
> > a tiny bit so get an idea of what is going on in the hive but don't
> > have to expose the entire box.
> >
> > The grain bags are woven so they breathe.  I fold back either an
> > edge or corner lined up with the entrance so the bees can ventilate
> > easier.
> >
> > At about 60 cents each and the ease of using, I doubt we'll go back
> > to a rigid inner cover.
> >
> > Ramona
>
> I suppose the only snag is plastic in the hive.
> __________________________________________
>
> David Heaf            North-West Wales, UK
> Warré & 'National' hives at 30 metres OMSL
> Warré beekeeping English web portal:
> http://warre.biobees.com/index.html
> David Heaf's beekeeping pages:
> http://www.bee-friendly.co.uk
> __________________________________________
>

Strange, a TBH doesn't need a top cloth.

Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
Old Lyme, CT, USA
Le Claire, IA, USA
Scot McPherson | Linkedin <https://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson>



On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:15 PM, mielpop <franticmum@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> That's interesting because I went on a TBH beekeeping course here and the
> guy taking the course uses that black woven landscaping fabric and said the
> same things as Ramona did. I wasn't too sure and wondered about
> condensation - the fabric presumably wicks moisture away whereas the
> plastic might not????
>
> But I still have no bees so I can't try anything for real yet!
>
>
> --- In warrebeekeeping@..., "David Heaf" <david@...> wrote:
> >
> > The following item was posted by Ramona to Dee Lusby's list
> >
> > > We've been using clean, plastic 50 lb. grain bags as inner covers -
> > > the bees propolize the entire bag to the top bars but don't seem to
> > > react at all when the bag is peeled back.
> > >
> > > I've never ripped the bag off really quickly (as in the "fast" band-
> > > aid approach) but both slower peeling and moderate speed peeling
> > > result in very calm bees.
> > >
> > > What is nice about a flexible inner cover is that you can peel back
> > > a tiny bit so get an idea of what is going on in the hive but don't
> > > have to expose the entire box.
> > >
> > > The grain bags are woven so they breathe. I fold back either an
> > > edge or corner lined up with the entrance so the bees can ventilate
> > > easier.
> > >
> > > At about 60 cents each and the ease of using, I doubt we'll go back
> > > to a rigid inner cover.
> > >
> > > Ramona
> >
> > I suppose the only snag is plastic in the hive.
> > __________________________________________
> >
> > David Heaf North-West Wales, UK
> > Warré & 'National' hives at 30 metres OMSL
> > Warré beekeeping English web portal:
> > http://warre.biobees.com/index.html
> > David Heaf's beekeeping pages:
> > http://www.bee-friendly.co.uk
> > __________________________________________
> >
>
>
>


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Hi Andrew-

> Could you please elaborate on the "slide and tilt" or please point to
> where you have already described it.

To nadir with this method, your hives must be on or near the ground. The
bottom boards of my hives are on a couple pieces of 2x4. I put something
a few inches higher than the bottom board just behind the hive- bricks,
an old feeder, anything. I go in front of the hive, on my knees, tilt
the hive forward, and slide it back so that the back end is on the
bricks. The front end is still resting on the bottom board. I then put
the box to be nadired on the bottom board, forward of its proper place.
The top bars are already in place. I tilt the hive back far enough to
catch the top of the new box. I go behind the hive, lift the back end,
and slide it into place on the box. I then slide the entire hive back
into place. As my boxes are larger than warres, and longer than they are
wide, I can tilt these at a fairly good angle and still keep them
stable. With warres, one might have to raise the hive in stages.  And
obviously, if you have pried the boxes apart recently, you would have to
really be careful the top one or two don't slide off.

When you do this quietly and slowly, you hardly disturb the bees at all,
especially if they haven't yet built comb to the bottom.

Regards-
John M.


--- In warrebeekeeping@..., Fieldbus Specialists
<andrew@...> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> Could you please elaborate on the "slide and tilt" or please point to
> where you have already described it.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Andrew
>
> On 25/04/2012 11:26 AM, John wrote:
> > Hi all-
> >
> > Visited the bees on this, the first really warm day of the season-
21C. Lots of willow pollen coming in. A large ant colony was in the
midst of a takeover of one colony. I moved the hive forward, then killed
the ant colony with fire. Then nadired the hives using my slide and tilt
method. No veil, no smoker, no stings. But lots of ant bites.
> > Regards-
> > John M.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Scot wrote: "a TBH doesn't need a top cloth"

Is a Warré a top-bar hive?
__________________________________________

David Heaf            North-West Wales, UK
Warré & 'National' hives at 30 metres OMSL
Warré beekeeping English web portal:
http://warre.biobees.com/index.html
David Heaf's beekeeping pages:
http://www.bee-friendly.co.uk
__________________________________________

Scott,  Tom Perry here in NH USA and I use burlap cloths in my TBH's as one
year I lost one to condensation and since using the cloths and quilt boxes
on my TBH's they have gotten thru 2 winters and no losses.

-----Original Message-----
From: Scot Mc Pherson
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:32 PM
To: warrebeekeeping@...
Subject: Re: [warrebeekeeping] Re: alternative to hessian/burlap top-bar
cloth

Strange, a TBH doesn't need a top cloth.

Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
Old Lyme, CT, USA
Le Claire, IA, USA
Scot McPherson | Linkedin <https://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson>



On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:15 PM, mielpop <franticmum@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> That's interesting because I went on a TBH beekeeping course here and the
> guy taking the course uses that black woven landscaping fabric and said
> the
> same things as Ramona did. I wasn't too sure and wondered about
> condensation - the fabric presumably wicks moisture away whereas the
> plastic might not????
>
> But I still have no bees so I can't try anything for real yet!
>
>
> --- In warrebeekeeping@..., "David Heaf" <david@...> wrote:
> >
> > The following item was posted by Ramona to Dee Lusby's list
> >
> > > We've been using clean, plastic 50 lb. grain bags as inner covers -
> > > the bees propolize the entire bag to the top bars but don't seem to
> > > react at all when the bag is peeled back.
> > >
> > > I've never ripped the bag off really quickly (as in the "fast" band-
> > > aid approach) but both slower peeling and moderate speed peeling
> > > result in very calm bees.
> > >
> > > What is nice about a flexible inner cover is that you can peel back
> > > a tiny bit so get an idea of what is going on in the hive but don't
> > > have to expose the entire box.
> > >
> > > The grain bags are woven so they breathe. I fold back either an
> > > edge or corner lined up with the entrance so the bees can ventilate
> > > easier.
> > >
> > > At about 60 cents each and the ease of using, I doubt we'll go back
> > > to a rigid inner cover.
> > >
> > > Ramona
> >
> > I suppose the only snag is plastic in the hive.
> > __________________________________________
> >
> > David Heaf North-West Wales, UK
> > Warré & 'National' hives at 30 metres OMSL
> > Warré beekeeping English web portal:
> > http://warre.biobees.com/index.html
> > David Heaf's beekeeping pages:
> > http://www.bee-friendly.co.uk
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On Apr 25, 2012, at 3:17 PM, "David Heaf" <david@...> wrote:

> Scot wrote: "a TBH doesn't need a top cloth"
>
> Is a Warré a top-bar hive?
>

Pedantically speaking, langstroth, nationals and dadants are also Top Bar Hives,
but in the common vernacular, a TBH is the horizontal long hive configuration.

I don't plan on being overly pedantic about it. When I or nearly everyone else
says Top Bar Hive, you already know what is meant :)

Scot McPherson PMP CISSP MCSA
McPherson Family Farms
Le Claire, IA USA
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John M wrote: "When you do this quietly and slowly, you hardly disturb the
bees at all,
especially if they haven't yet built comb to the bottom."

Very nice trick. Who is going to volunteer to do a photo sequence of this to
put at warre.biobees.com? For an ordinary Warré, it ought to include at
least one extra step, as John recommends.

I think if I were to try it, I'd remove the roof and quilt. The bees would
be sealed in under the top-bar cloth. If there was any fear of boxes
sliding, one could staple gun the boxes together with one small staple in
each corner.

This technique makes Kai's super lift redundant.
__________________________________________

David Heaf            North-West Wales, UK
Warré & 'National' hives at 30 metres OMSL
Warré beekeeping English web portal:
http://warre.biobees.com/index.html
David Heaf's beekeeping pages:
http://www.bee-friendly.co.uk
__________________________________________

Jean-Claude Guillaume's magnum opus on Warré beekeeping, comprising 800
pages in two volumes, is now published. I append the text of the promotional
flyer below. An image of the flyer is viewable/downloadable in the group's
photo section on the first page in the album entitled
'AtoZ_Apiculture_Ecologique'.

More about his version of Warré beekeeping is at:

http://warre.biobees.com/guillaume.htm

It looks like the book works out at £48 ($72) if you're quick.
__________________________________________

David Heaf            North-West Wales, UK
Warré & 'National' hives at 30 metres OMSL
Warré beekeeping English web portal:
http://warre.biobees.com/index.html
David Heaf's beekeeping pages:
http://www.bee-friendly.co.uk
__________________________________________

L'APICULTURE ECOLOGIQUE de A à Z

Jean-Marie FRÈRÈS &
Jean-Claude GUILLAUME

Données techniques:
Format : A4 (21/29,7 cm) - 2 tomes, pour un total de 800 pages
papier couché mat, couverture couleur plastifiée
ISBN : 978-2-87434-125-0
Dépôt légal : 2012/5053/208

Les éditions marco pietteur vous
présentent le livre tant attendu
LE LIVRE SERA ÉDITÉ À PARTIR DE 250 SOUSCRIPTIONS.
SOUSCRIPTION JUSQU'AU 30 AVRIL 2012.
SOUSCRIPTION-20%

Introduction :
Aimer les abeilles est une chose, les élever et conduire un rucher, c'en est
une autre. L'apiculture, puisque
c'est le terme exact pour désigner cette activité, c'est tout un programme.
L'apiculteur doit guider ses abeilles, mais il ne doit jamais les commander.
Il doit les observer et s'adapter
à leur rythme et à celui des saisons. L'apiculteur moderne a trop tendance à
vouloir imposer ses volontés à
l'abeille et à ne pas respecter les lois de la nature.
Et pourtant, le monde des abeilles est un modèle d'organisation qui n'a
nullement besoin de l'homme
pour effectuer correctement son travail, noble tâche qu'elles ont assumée
sans faille depuis des millénaires.
Intervenir maladroitement dans cette organisation que nous allons découvrir
ensemble, c'est souvent la
perturber gravement, avec des conséquences imprévisibles à plus ou moins
long terme.
Que découvrirez-vous dans ce livre :

Tome1
. Le passage de la méthode du catoir à la ruche moderne,
. Les auteurs décrivent leur parcours personnel d'apiculteur
et leur conversion à la ruche Warré puis écologique,
. La construction de la ruche,
. La population de la ruche et son organisation,
. L'équipement et l'outillage nécessaire à la ruche et à
l'apiculteur,
. Comment « fonctionne » la ruche écologique Warré,
. Essaimage naturel avec récupération de l'essaim,
. Contrôle et régulation de la température et de l'humidité,
. La récolte du miel,
. La cire,
. Maladies, parasites et prédateurs des abeilles.

Tome 2
. Le language des abeilles et leur sens de l'orientation,
. Expériences et recherches des auteurs,
. Transport d'une ruche,
. Que faire en cas de piqûre ?,
. Conduite d'une ruche, ce qu'il faut faire ou ne pas faire,
. Comment "lire" la ruche écologique,
. Comment peupler les ruches,
. Les plantes et les arbres mellifères à cadres,
. Le calendrier de l'apiculteur,
. Quelques recettes,
. Comment améliorer une ruche moderne à cadres,
. A propos de la constitution d'essaims,
de l'élevage de reines et de l'insémination artificielle.

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Préface :
C'est avec un très grand plaisir et un vif intérêt que j'ai co-réalisé cet
ouvrage en compagnie de mon ami Jean-
Marie Frèrès, apiculteur, grand amoureux des abeilles et de la nature, et
chercheur enthousiaste à ses heures.
Nous avons rédigé « L'APICULTURE ÉCOLOGIQUE de A à Z » à partir d'un certain
nombre de notes que Jean-
Marie Frèrès avait prises au cours de ses dernières années, pendant
lesquelles il a recherché avec une passion
extraordinaire, le moyen de récolter un miel pur avec un minimum de
prestations de l'homme, qui bien
souvent, lorsqu'il intervient dans le milieu naturel, ne fait que le
perturber avec des conséquences parfois
désastreuses.
Novice en la matière, j'ai découvert à ses côtés, page après page, et tout
au long de mon apprentissage,
ce monde étonnant des abeilles qui est un modèle d'organisation que l'homme
ne pourra jamais atteindre.
Après quelques années de pratique, Jean-Marie Frèrès a compris que la
méthode dite « moderne » le menait
dans une impasse. Il a donc quitté l'apiculture traditionnelle grandement
menacée par les maladies, par les
pesticides agricoles, par un parasite, le varroa, par les produits chimiques
que l'homme utilise pour tenter de
le combattre, et est retourné des années en arrière pour pratiquer une
apiculture écologique très simple à
mettre en ouvre, avec laquelle il a réussi à obtenir des résultats tout à
fait remarquables.
Alors que dans bien des régions, des ruchers entiers sont décimés,
Jean-Marie Frèrès est parvenu avec sa
méthode finalement très simple et très logique, à garder ses abeilles et à
produire un miel pur et de grande
qualité, malgré ce parasite venu comme partout s'installer dans ses ruches.
Il nous explique avec passion les raisons de ce retour en arrière, de cette
simplification, et nous fait redécouvrir
une méthode déjà centenaire qui permet, avec un investissement des plus
modestes, de produire en quantité
tout à fait remarquable, un miel excellent, et ceci avec des prestations
réduites au minimum et bien inférieures
à ce que demande l'apiculture « moderne » telle qu'elle est pratiquée
actuellement.
Cet ouvrage est un guide parfait pour celui qui veut se lancer à peu de
frais dans une apiculture respectueuse
de l'abeille et de son mode de vie naturel, des produits de la ruche, du
consommateur, et de l'environnement.
Il sera en outre, sujet à réflexion pour ceux qui ont suivi le modernisme
aveuglément et qui se retrouvent dans
une impasse, aux prises avec un problème majeur : comment obtenir un miel
sain de toute première qualité,
alors que cette apiculture « moderne » s'obstine à introduire.
Dans les ruches, quantité de produits destinés à combattre parasite, virus
et maladies, produits dont certains
sont de véritables poisons. Le varroa restant néanmoins le plus fort, puisqu
'il parvient malgré tout, à s'immiscer
et à décimer des ruchers entiers. Sa capacité de nuisance est accrue, nous
le verrons, par de nombreux facteurs
qui affaiblissent les colonies et dont certains sont en rapport direct avec
le matériel et la méthode utilisés, et qui
favorisent sa prolifération ainsi que la destruction des ruchers.

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Hm. Maybe they have overlooked the ironic fact that French is no longer the
Post-Latin lingua franca of science, culture, learning, and general interchange
of ideas. I guess BfA would not have got 21st century traction so quickly if
Team Heaf hadn't Anglified it.

Chandler's Barefoot Beekeeper is discounted to $22 in pulp, $5 as ebook. By the
same ratio the EUR65 AtoZ would have to go at ~$19.50, which is WAY too high by
ebook standards.

But if they were to translate it into English, I might be willing to drop $9.99
for the .epub at smashwords.com, where there are a few other beek ebooks
(including mine, Beekeeping for Poets).

/AST

--- In warrebeekeeping@..., "David Heaf" <david@...> wrote:
>
> Jean-Claude Guillaume's magnum opus on Warré beekeeping, comprising 800
> pages in two volumes, is now published. I append the text of the promotional
> flyer below. An image of the flyer is viewable/downloadable in the group's
> photo section on the first page in the album entitled
> 'AtoZ_Apiculture_Ecologique'.

--- In warrebeekeeping@..., "David Heaf" <david@...> wrote:
>
> In March I wrote: "perhaps I should have said 'quilts were not unknown in
> North American
> beekeeping'. One source of evidence for this is the following:..."
>
> In addition to my previous examples, I have just found a former 1200-hive
> commercial beek in Vermont describing use of quilts in winter:
>
> "...bag of shavings on top of the inner cover to give about 8 cm of
> insulation."

Wildman in 1768 described quilt-like features in novel hives. Also I met a local
Russian beek who uses shredded newsprint in insulating boxes atop standard
Langs. Why quilts are not in widespread use beats me. They were not brought up
in any ordinary beek class I ever attended-- not that I went to many ;-)

/AST

Alex wrote: "I guess BfA would not have got 21st century traction so quickly
if Team Heaf hadn't Anglified it."

We've been in correspondence with J-C Guillaume since 2007 when we offered
to translate for his publisher the first edition of his book, which is ony
445 pages. But he responded that a new edition was in preparation. Now his
book has grown to over 800 pages of A4 format, we are not so enthusiastic.
There is so much in it that is in other beekeeping books, including 50 pages
on melliferous plants. He could have just concentrated on his own ecological
approach and especially on his version of the Warré hive and its management.
We have written to him suggesting he makes a much more compact edition for
translation to English. However, we're not offering to translate it for
free.
__________________________________________

David Heaf            North-West Wales, UK
Warré & 'National' hives at 30 metres OMSL
Warré beekeeping English web portal:
http://warre.biobees.com/index.html
David Heaf's beekeeping pages:
http://www.bee-friendly.co.uk
__________________________________________

they took it down. I am in Japan and the Farmers are clueless about the
systemic pesticides and bees. Here is a massive patch of flowers and the
only pollinator that I found was a bumblebee... http://j.mp/IiDUC2

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Lord Luc <aquavives@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> La mort est dans le pré.
>
> I looked really hard to find a copy of this French film with (english)
> subtitles. Unfortunately I could not find it. I also looked around for the
> mail adress of the author Eric Guéret, to ask him if there was a version
> with subs. Also didn't find that.
> I give the link to the original version anyway...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht5Gs2Bxr28&feature=related
>
> ... because I feel it is important for conscious people/beekeepers to know
> that farmers are not against us. They use pesticides because they know
> little else. The financial consequences to change to anything else are
> huge. The farmers are victims too! It's good they finally speak.
>
> (On 13 february, a judge in Lyon declared that Monsanto is responsible for
> a farmer's disease, does anyone know more about this?)
>
> Luc Pintens
> Hapiculture
> Belgium
>
>
>



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The Warré hive is a very flexible to use hive that allows a lot of
modifications and adaptions the way you use it. One has to diferentiate between
hive and system here.

I sorted out some of my thoughts on modifying the system and put it down into a
PDF-document.

See: http://www.immenfreunde.de/WarreMod_engl.pdf

I think there are good arguments to re-thought the classic Warré method and
find your own way to keep bees in a Warré.

Thanks for reading and throwing tomatoes at me.

Bernhard