Many thanks, I seem to be doing the right thing, ie. there are lots
of shrimps in with it.  I haven't seen it eat yet but it is getting
more mobile and has more colour so I hope things will work out
eventually.

Dick

--- In wetthumb@..., "Andy Horton" <Glaucus@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Dick,
>
> See
>
> http://www.glaucus.org.uk/Sepiola.html
>
> Feeding
>
> Sepiola all fed avidly on immature shrimp of between 10 and 30 mm
which were
> provided in small numbers (10-12) at twice-daily intervals.
(However they
> did not appear to take prawn of the same size range.)
>
> See also feeding of Capros aper:
>
> http://www.glaucus.org.uk/Capros.htm
>
> Feeds on live daphnia and frozen brine shrimp, but needs
encouragement to
> feed and this is a worry at first. Finicky feeder, usually taking
food only
> of its preferred size, e.g. my small 55 mm fish will prefer frozen
Artemia
> to frozen mysis. After a bit (2 weeks), the fish will now take
frozen mysis
> as readily as Artemia (brine shrimp).
>
>
> I have kept this small cuttle, but I cannot remember for how long.
>
> Cheers
>
>
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> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 5:37 PM
> Subject: [wetthumb] Sepiola?
>
>
> The other day as I was returning with my shrimping net (a modified
pond
> net) I saw a moving object in a rock pool.   Imagine my surprise and
> delight when I looked in the net and found I had caught a lesser
> cuttlefish.   I have it in my tank but it is still sulking after two
> days and spends the time buried in the sand.   There are lots of
small
> shrimps in there with it but I was wondering what dose it normally
> eat?  Does anybody know?  I'd like to tempt it with its favourite
> food.  Does it eat small crabs like its larger relative?
>
> Dick
>

Hello Dick,

See

http://www.glaucus.org.uk/Sepiola.html

Feeding

Sepiola all fed avidly on immature shrimp of between 10 and 30 mm which were
provided in small numbers (10-12) at twice-daily intervals. (However they
did not appear to take prawn of the same size range.)

See also feeding of Capros aper:

http://www.glaucus.org.uk/Capros.htm

Feeds on live daphnia and frozen brine shrimp, but needs encouragement to
feed and this is a worry at first. Finicky feeder, usually taking food only
of its preferred size, e.g. my small 55 mm fish will prefer frozen Artemia
to frozen mysis. After a bit (2 weeks), the fish will now take frozen mysis
as readily as Artemia (brine shrimp).


I have kept this small cuttle, but I cannot remember for how long.

Cheers


Andy Horton.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "dickjones999" <dickjones999@...>
To: <wetthumb@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 5:37 PM
Subject: [wetthumb] Sepiola?


The other day as I was returning with my shrimping net (a modified pond
net) I saw a moving object in a rock pool.   Imagine my surprise and
delight when I looked in the net and found I had caught a lesser
cuttlefish.   I have it in my tank but it is still sulking after two
days and spends the time buried in the sand.   There are lots of small
shrimps in there with it but I was wondering what dose it normally
eat?  Does anybody know?  I'd like to tempt it with its favourite
food.  Does it eat small crabs like its larger relative?

Dick

The other day as I was returning with my shrimping net (a modified pond
net) I saw a moving object in a rock pool.   Imagine my surprise and
delight when I looked in the net and found I had caught a lesser
cuttlefish.   I have it in my tank but it is still sulking after two
days and spends the time buried in the sand.   There are lots of small
shrimps in there with it but I was wondering what dose it normally
eat?  Does anybody know?  I'd like to tempt it with its favourite
food.  Does it eat small crabs like its larger relative?

Dick

Hi, I've been too busy to reply of late.  After a long wait I got a
Betta five foot tank which is huge.   I realy wanted a four foot one
but when this came up I went for it.  I've just finished putting it
together, from a chinese instruction booklet.  It is very short on
words and diagrams.  For example, if you follow the drawings and try
to build it one side at a time you just can't do it!  You have to put
the sides together and then slot them into the base.  A day of
frustrating putting together and taking apart and putting it together
again.   Still it is finished now.   Also I got my five foot jewel
back from the shop where it was being modified.   I had just arranged
to collect it when the Betta turned up.

I will make the Betta a tropical marine tank. I've got a small one
full of live rock and it is fascinating watching the crabs and
cushion stars and worms and other "hitch hikers".  Who needs fish.
The other tank I will make a coldwater marine one.  I was in
Hampshire recently and using an inverter I was able to use an air
pump to bring back some snakelocks, dahlia and daisy anemones.  They
were still on the same beaches that I found them back in the 1960's.

Dick

----- Original Message -----

From: dickjones999

To: wetthumb@...

Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 3:43 PM

Subject: [wetthumb] Anyone out there?

I've just got into marine aquaria again having left off twenty odd
years ago. Things have changed on the equipment front in the past few
years.

I set up a small tank as an experiment and filled it with beadlet and
plumose anemonies and some Sagartia species, a clump of peacock fan
worms and a shanny and some starfish and of course some (small)
crabs. It has been going for six weeks now and seems to be ok.

It is hard to find anyone else who keeps cold saltwater aquaria, this
forum doesn't seem to be active at the moment, Is that true?

Dick

Hello,

Has anybody got any suggestions please?

See the enquiry below:


> As part of the Guardian Nature Spotting series, I'm compiling a list of
> the most exciting rockpool finds in Britain, the most exciting animals
> that lurk in the depths and on the surface and where on our coastline
> you're likely to spot them.
>
> Would you be willing to suggest your top rockpool finds, or suggest an
> expert that might be able to assist?
>
> I look forward to hearing from you.
> Best,
> Kate

Hello,

MARINE LIFE NEWS BULLETIN TORPEDO (March 2008)

ISSN 1464-8156
Issue no. 138

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Cheers

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Hello,

20 March 2008
My captive Vernal Crab, Liocarcinus vernalis, died on the day of the Vernal
Equinox after about a year in the aquarium. It was captured as a smaller
crab on 16 March 2007. It went through two moults during the year. It fed
mostly on frozen prawn, but also on mussel flesh and probably ate some of
the Hermit Crabs, Diogenes pugilator.
1st moult:   Carapace length 35 mm, length 38 mm
2nd moult:  Carapace length 44 mm, length 48 mm
Death size: Carapace length 45 mm, length 55 mm
http://www.glaucus.org.uk/VernalCrab.html

Cheers

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Hi Hugo,

How do you get on with the high temperatures in the summer in
Portugal?   Do you cool your aquarium or do the inhabitants manage to
withstand them?   Some of our British animals come from warmer waters
but some of them come from the north and are near their southern limits
especially in the summers that we get nowadays.   Even tropical marine
tanks can get over heated.   I am expirimenting with various cooling
methods but have not come up with a surefire solution yet.

Dick

Hi, I've actually made contact with someone who isn't talking about
their corals etc. I wonder where everyone else is?

My tank is about 2 foot by one by one.   I knocked it up about 20
years ago and it had been standing outside for years until I
resurected it.   I have got an undergravel filter because that is
what I had 20 years ago and I thought, it worked OK then, lets have
one again.

Are your snakelocks under lights?   They are supposed to be difficult
but I don't remember having any problems with them.

I don't remember having any problems with the tanks getting too hot
for plumose anemonies and fan worms but of course it was not so hot
back in the sixties and seventies!  Where did you get your beer
chiller?   I may experiment with an old fridge.  The temperature is
between 15 and 17C at the moment.

I collected a "left-handed" hermit crab in Norfolk which probably is
Diogenes and not Pagurus but I will have to check it properly before
I shout too loudly.  It may be a first for the county but there are
so few people who I can ask.

Dick


--- In wetthumb@..., Charles
Lindenbaum<c.lindenbaum@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Dick,
>
> Yes there is at least one person out here! this web group has gone
rather quiet in recent years - it used to be very active  - Im not
sure what happened really.
> I now only have a medium sized coldwater marine tank which has
snakelock anemones a sand goby prawns, cushion stars and a few other
small beasties! I have an external filter (which I would highly
reccommend). I would be interested to hear how you get on with your
tank, particularly the longterm survival of your plumose anemones. I
have had these before, but I suspect they dont like the chaotic flow
of water around the tank. I would also love to inroduce peakock worms
and feather stars to the tank but I think that without cooling the
water they may not survive.
>
> In the past I have used an old beer chiller to cool the water but
it was so noisey and smelly that its now in the garage. I have heard
aboutsome electric cooling methods which are simply rods that you can
put in the tank to cool it down. Has anyone else heard of these or
used them?
>
> Good luck with your tank.
>
> Charlie
> (up in north Wales)
>
> >>> "dickjones999" <dickjones999@...> 03/05/08 2:43 pm >>>
>
> I've just got into marine aquaria again having left off twenty odd
> years ago. Things have changed on the equipment front in the past
few
> years.
>
> I set up a small tank as an experiment and filled it with beadlet
and
> plumose anemonies and some Sagartia species, a clump of peacock fan
> worms and a shanny and some starfish and of course some (small)
> crabs. It has been going for six weeks now and seems to be ok.
>
> It is hard to find anyone else who keeps cold saltwater aquaria,
this
> forum doesn't seem to be active at the moment, Is that true?
>
> Dick
>

Hello,

3 Match 2008
A hexapus, or six-legged version of the Lesser or Curled Octopus, Eledone
cirrhosa, was captured in a lobster pot off the coast of north Wales and put
on show at the Anglesey Sea Zoo. It was only then it was discovered to have
only six legs instead of the normal eight, and this may have a result of a
birth defect rather than an accident. It was been claimed as a world's first
as nobody seems to discovered one before. Its fame meant it was transferred
to the Blackpool Sea Life Centre to attract a bigger audience.

BBC News Report (2)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/7280980.stm
BBC News Report (1)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7275659.stm
Yahoo News Report
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080303/sc_afp/sciencebritainanimalhexapusoffbeat
BMLSS octopuses
http://www.glaucus.org.uk/Octopus.htm

Cheers


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http://www.glaucus.org.uk/News2008Winter.htm

I've just got into marine aquaria again having left off twenty odd
years ago.  Things have changed on the equipment front in the past few
years.

I set up a small tank as an experiment and filled it with beadlet and
plumose anemonies and some Sagartia species, a clump of peacock fan
worms and a shanny and some starfish and of course some (small)
crabs.   It has been going for six weeks now and seems to be ok.

It is hard to find anyone else who keeps cold saltwater aquaria, this
forum doesn't seem to be active at the moment, Is that true?

Dick

Hello,

29 July 2007
An astonishing bright red fish misnamed as the Boar Fish, Capros
aper, was discovered swimming around in a pool when the tide was out
on Littlehampton main beach (east of the River Arun), Sussex. It was
about 75 mm long, and I was able to scoop the rhomboidal fish up in a
shell, before I allowed it to swim away.

Report by Mark Wright

Cheers

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Hello,

Liocarcinus vernalis has now moulted for a second time in a tank on
its own. I feed it on frozen prawns. It was originally caught in May
(I think).

Check this:  24 May 2007

Measurements later.

Cheers

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Hi Andy,

I thought I would continue this thread on wet-thumb as it is a more appropriate
forumfor this sort of thing.

I thought I would share with you some of my observations on keeping anemones in
aquaria. I have had great success keeping snakelock anemones Anemonia viridis
they have grown and grown and split and grown and so on and I ahve had then for
probably 5 years. I have had a good light set up over the tank with a
coral-light tube and a 50/50 actinic tube I think and they were on for about 10
hours a day. I have fed them well regularly with frozen artemia and live mussel
directly from the shore chopped open and fed directly - they will each half a
mussel each once a week maybe. they have kept there lovely florence green and
purple colours. The tank is in my living room and Im sure the temps get into the
low 20s. I dont have masses of water movement. the larget ones had a tentacle
width of 15+cm I should think. I have lost a small dragonet and corkwing wrasse
to them in the past. It was very sad to see my dragonet inadvertantly swim into
a coupleof them which wrapped their tentacles around it. the fish was too long
to fit inside one so eqach anemone had an end each until they met in the middle!

Beadlets Actinia equina do fairly well as well again feeding on small bits of
chopped up mussel. when there isnt food in the water aor much much water
movement the tend to retract their tentacles. if fed lots the produce lots of
little offspring! If they`re not fet so much gradually get smaller and smaller
:-(

I havent had much luck with Dahlia anemones Urticina felina I think because my
tank is too warm. they never seem to open out and look as fantastic as they do
in the sea. they wouldnt feed even when chunks of food were placed directly on
the, they just gradually get smaller and smaller over a period of months.

The daisy anemone Cereus pedunculatus does well in a bright tank and will grown
and split to carpet the tank floor. the attach to the tank floow and pop up
throught the barnacle gravel

Sagartia troglodytes are quite happy in the tank too but I have never got them
to split or reproduce. I never fed them individually.

I would like to know if anyone has ever kept Cerianthus lloydii, Corynactis
viridis, or Protantea simplex? I would love to give some of these a go as they
can look so great in the sea.

Anyone else had similar or differing experiences with these anemones? Got any
other anemones experiences to share?

Best wishes,

Charlie

>>> "Andy Horton" <Glaucus@...> 07/05/07 9:13 am >>>
Hello James,

All species of the common sea anemone found around the British coast (except
the ones containing zooxanthellae) have fared well for over a year in home
aquaria and for as long as 20 years in aquaria that undergo frequent water
changes (average 10% per month). The conclusion I drew was that excessive
nitrate was not a problem.

The problem keeping the species the Snakelocks Anemone, Anemonia viridis,
for periods over a year in good condition in indoor aquaria, I have not
resolved.

Dahlia Anemone, Urticina felina, die in sustained temperatures over 22° C,
and probably stop feeding at a lower temperature. Occasionally, they are
difficult to feed. However, you should note that another reason for them
finding difficult to feed can be disturbance by other inmates of the tank,
e.g. the Blenny, Lipophrys pholis.

There is a separate forum called Wet Thumb for aquarium enquiries.
http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/wetthumb/

This has not been very well used since Smart Groups folded.

Cheers

Andy Horton.
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Hi wetthumbers!

I have eventually got around to rejoining this group - looks like Im
not the only one to have  not got round to it since the move from
smartgroups.
Just to introduce myself again, I have had fishtanks for a longtime and
have had a temperate marine setup for 7 years now since moving to the
coast in North Wales.  I used to have a 5 foot setup but since moving in
with my gf this has been moved to the garage. We now have a three foot
tank dedicated to marines which currently has two 15spine stickleback, a
scorpion fish, small snakelocks, beadlets, and lots of small prawns and
sand gobies (which I expect will end up as food!)

Only just got the stickleback - trying to feed them on small frozen
brineshrimp but dont think they have taken any yet although they are
showing some interest. Anyone else had any luck with them before? Also
hoping to get some pipefish - has anyone had luck with these before?

Cheers

Charlie




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I thought I would alert you to our forthcoming lecture:

Earthwatch Lecture: Managing the Marine Environment.
7.00pm, Wednesday 6th June, at the Royal Geographical Society, 1
Kensington Gore, London SW7.

Speakers: Dr. David Smith, Coral Reef Research Unit, University of
Essex
& Dr. Marcos Santos, Universidade de Sao Paulo

Two talks about Earthwatch research into vulnerable marine
ecosystems, one on the threats posed to Seychelles coral reefs, the
other on Brazil's lesser known dolphins, particularly impacted by
tourism. Free, but ticket only

For tickets & more information, please contact Earthwatch on (01865)
318856; events@...

www.earthwatch.org/europe/events.html


If any of you, friends or contacts would like to come along, please
contact me for tickets.

Andy & Luke, could you tell the others, if you know their e-mail
addresses, that we're here so that we can get this thing up & running
again - I think we need to be proactive.

Best wishes
Mike

Luke, all we need is a small group to get it going again. You say
what's the point as there are only two but any group will inevitably
start with 1 - it's called the beginning.

Why not let's start with what we've been up to marine aquaria wise, and
maybe e-mail any ex-thumbs members from the previous group to let them
know about this new group. I will send an e-mail to Monicha Landoy.

Best wishes
Mike

Forum with 2 members, err..what's the point Andy??