--- In whoconcord@..., "Alexander Dante"
<alexanderdante@g...> wrote:
>
> --- In whoconcord@..., "Adrian Middleton"
> <adrian_middle@y...> wrote:

> > "At a safe distance, the five planets joined the cosmic dance.
> Closest to the twins sat Kaster, which lay just a hundred million
> kilometres from the mid-point between the suns."
>
> I don't remember there being a Kaster. And Kasterborus the Fibster
is
> missing. And if its the latter, it doesn't count as one of the five
> planets.

Yes, it should be Kasterborus the Fibster. Technically Pluto is a
planetoid/KPO, yet we call it a planet. Why shouldn't convention see
it regarded as one of the five planets?

> > "At a hundred and fifty million kilometres, where Gallifrey,
second
> of the five planets, should have been, there was nothing. The Time
> Lords had changed the nature of the universe when the time wars
began,
> desperate to save themselves from the ravages of history. In this
> regard, the orrery served not just a navigational function, but
also a
> political one. Rendulix, the homeworld, as it was also known, had
> entered into the realm of legends.
>
> If the story is set after the conquest of Time, then this is
probably
> correct. What about Pazithi Gallifreya? Is it with Gallifrey. Also,
> IIRC Gallifrey has two moons but the second is unnamed.

The smaller heliotrope moon. I did think about mentioning the moons
and calling the second one Patrexi Gallifreya (on account of the
colour being adopted by that chapter).

> > "Demos, the world on which Pengallia had been born, and where she
> now lay awaiting royal ascension, orbited at a distance of roughly
two
> hundred million kilometres. Six thousand miles in diameter and
circled
> by three small moons, Bern, Falin, and Kirros."
>
> Demos is in the Johnny Byrne movie scripts - not heard of the moons.

Yep - Demos is a straight lift from the Byrne stories. The Doctor
acquired a time rotor at a bazaar there and it seemed to be a normal
occurrence, so I decided it must be a planet near to the heart of the
old Gallifreyan Empire. When I looked at the gap in the five planets,
it was the most likely candidate besides inventing a whole new one.

I made the moons up. Bern=Byrne, of course.

> > "At a distance of almost eight hundred million kilometres lay
> Polarfrey, the White Giant, the coldest and brightest planet in the
> sky.
>
> That fits with Lungbarrow.
>
> > "Out beyond Polarfrey, the great ice ring circled the system, and
> beyond that lay the smallest and remotest of the five planets, Karn,
> the dark sister."
>
> Fits with Brain (Warmonger somehow places it in a different system).

Thats a good point, although that could mean that Karn is part of a
planetary system within a star system (which would mean putting it in
orbit around Polarfrey).

That said, someone (Lance Parkin, I think) referred to the system as
Kasterborus Gamma. On top of that Kasterborus is also the name of the
Constellation (rather than the system).

Because Gallifrey is older than most of the other planets of the
Milky Way, I have assumed that Kasterborus was originally an open
star cluster with at least 3 stars (Kasterborus Alpha, Beta and
Gamma). This and other early clusters (eg. Mutter's Cluster and the
Aubert Cluster) were absorbed into Mutter's Spiral when it was
formed, hence their shift from clusters to constellations.

> > "Some three billion kilometres beyond the centre of the system,
Karn
> was lit by a strange and magical phenomenon. This light, known as
the
> Great Veil or the Kasterborus Borealis, bounded the outer edges of
the
> system and, in ancient times, had been regarded as the great barrier
> beyond which the rest of the universe lay."
>
> There is also the Asteroid Archipelago, which I suspect may be the
> name given to Gallifrey's Oort Cloud. This suggests that there is a
> cluster of asteroids protruding out of the system rather than a
> cocoon of asteroids enveloping it.

I hadn't considered the archipelago as part of the system, just as a
well known part of the Empire.

> > Comments?
>
> Given, as alwaqys ;-)

And appreciated.