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Coulmiers 1870, 2mm AAR

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  • Ronan R
    Hello I had a game with scenario. A good game (as usual ! ;) ) I wonder if the french side can really win Coulmiers ? ( I played this game solo several months
    Message 1 of 13 , 5 Aug
      Hello

      I had a game with scenario.
      A good game (as usual ! ;) )
      I wonder if the french side can really win Coulmiers ? ( I played this
      game solo several months ago - to learn the rules - and the french lost.
      We were 2 players, the french lost again. In a post here (from
      vtsaogames ) the french also lost this battle)

      What are we doing wrong ?
      ;

      My aar :
      http://2d6.fr/?p=4337
      ( in french, as usual, but with english subtitles )

      --
      Ronan
    • vtsaogames
      I have played Coulmiers twice, both times as the French. The first time was a learning game and the French won handily. I made a wide flanking move around the
      Message 2 of 13 , 5 Aug
        I have played Coulmiers twice, both times as the French.

        The first time was a learning game and the French won handily. I made a wide flanking move around the Bavarian right combined with frontal pressure and rolled them up. If the Germans have to stretch their line, it will get mighty thin somewhere. French numbers are better used to flank than running up against Needle guns and Krupp guns.

        The second game occurred after having played the campaign battles in sequence. After being pounded by their artillery for many games I fixated on neutralizing the Krupp guns. I pretty much did that but in the process made a frontal attack on Coulmiers and failed to take objectives, though German losses were nearly as high as mine.

        On a similar note, we recently played the ACW battle of Nashville. I defended as the badly outnumbered Confederates. On the first day the Union flanked my right and caused heavy losses. They failed to even threaten my left. Overnight i cobbled a new line together in front of them and they made a frontal attack. This led to a Union defeat, at least by scenario conditions.

        My takeaway: always flank the enemy (especially if they are small) while keeping pressure on the front, at least with threats. 
      • bbbchrisp
        Hi Ronan, I m glad you enjoyed Coulmiers. I d say there are some grounds for your reservations - it is probably harder for the French to win than for the
        Message 3 of 13 , 6 Aug
          Hi Ronan,

          I'm glad you enjoyed Coulmiers. I'd say there are some grounds for your reservations - it is probably harder for the French to win than for the Bavarians - but it is winnable. I suppose it comes down to the fact that it does need the attacker to be both well co-ordinated and a little fortunate, so it is less forgiving of errors or ill luck on the attacker's part.

          Chris
        • Ronan R
          ... So, We have to try again ! ... Thank you to both of you -- Ronan
          Message 4 of 13 , 7 Aug
            On 05/08/2017 20:16, vtsaogames@... [BBB_wargames] wrote:
            > a frontal attack on Coulmiers and failed to take objectives

            On 06/08/2017 10:15, bbbchrisp@... [BBB_wargames] wrote:
            > but it is winnable


            So, We have to try again !
            :)

            Thank you to both of you


            --
            Ronan
          • ktravlos
            Vincent is right. Always flank, even when the ground is bad. And take into consideration time .Assume 8 turns for a unit to move 48 inches. It takes patience
            Message 5 of 13 , 8 Aug
              Vincent is right. Always flank, even when the ground is bad. And take into consideration time .Assume 8 turns for a unit to move 48 inches. It takes patience and luck, but if you wait, concentrate and then strike, it is very likely you will break any defender, especially if they fail to create a mobile reserve (or you have done well in pinning the potential reserves).
            • vtsaogames
              ... I notice that in actual battles, impassable terrain often becomes passable when the easy way is swept by enemy fire.
              Message 6 of 13 , 8 Aug
                Always flank, even when the ground is bad.

                I notice that in actual battles, "impassable" terrain often becomes passable when the easy way is swept by enemy fire.
              • andrew.fuller48
                As a Prussian, playing a non-historical scenario the other day, I was flanked by French cavalry and another body of Chasseurs a pied and line infantry - the
                Message 7 of 13 , 8 Aug
                  As a Prussian, playing a non-historical scenario the other day, I was flanked by French cavalry and another body of Chasseurs a pied and line infantry - the result was not a pretty sight for the Prussians.
                • Ronan R
                  Thank you all for your advice ! ... I tried again this same battle. I did not went on both flanks.. but victory was near ( One day I ll win ! ;) ) details
                  Message 8 of 13 , 20 Aug
                    Thank you all for your advice !
                    :)

                    I tried again this same battle.
                    I did not went on both flanks.. but victory was near ( One day I'll win
                    ! ;) )

                    details here :
                    http://2d6.fr/?p=4358

                    With a new player.. who also liked BBB !



                    --
                    Ronan
                  • crispin.matson@btinternet.com
                    Ronan If it is any consolation I have palyed this game as the French 6 times and only a managed a draw once (the other 5 games were defeats!)...and that was
                    Message 9 of 13 , 20 Aug

                      Ronan


                      If it is any consolation I have palyed this game as the French 6 times and only a managed a draw once (the other 5 games were defeats!)...and that was playing the optional rule with the additional French divison,the objectives modified,and a grand left sweeping attack...


                      Crispin

                    • Ronan R
                      ... Ouch ! ;) I may play again this battle with some minor changes to the bavarians.. (But it s also time to move on to another battle.) Thank you ! -- Ronan
                      Message 10 of 13 , 20 Aug
                        On 20/08/2017 14:37, crispin.matson@... [BBB_wargames] wrote:
                        > If it is any consolation I have palyed this game as the French 6 times
                        > and only a managed a draw once (the other 5 games were defeats!)...and
                        > that was playing the optional rule with the additional French
                        > divison,the objectives modified,and a grand left sweeping attack...


                        Ouch !
                        ;)

                        I may play again this battle with some minor changes to the bavarians..
                        (But it's also time to move on to another battle.)

                        Thank you !

                        --
                        Ronan
                      • bbbchrisp
                        Crispin, Ronan, all, Thanks for your reports. It really does sound as though the Coulmiers scenario is too tough for the French. What if we just drop the
                        Message 11 of 13 , 21 Aug
                          Crispin, Ronan, all,

                          Thanks for your reports. It really does sound as though the Coulmiers scenario is too tough for the French. What if we just drop the victory requirement by one objective: French need 3 for a draw and 4 for a win? Would that make it even, or just skew it in the other direction? Should the French also earn an objective if they inflict X casualties on the Bavarians?

                          Well done Ronan on taking Coulmiers (even if you lost it again on the last turn), and on converting another lucky chap to BBB.

                          Re the comments by Sebastien on your blog post: the Bavarian strengths are correct, I believe, and even if they had incorporated green recruits in the ranks, the units were still better than the garde mobile, so Trained is surely correct. Perhaps one could rate them Fragile but I'm not sure that would be right. I think the issue is the calibration of the victory conditions, not the troop ratings.

                          Chris
                        • CRISPIN MATSON
                          Chris I should think that should do it. suggest we have another go at it sometime in the autumn. Crispin ... On Mon, 21/8/17, bbbchrisp@yahoo.co.uk
                          Message 12 of 13 , 21 Aug
                            Chris

                            I should think that should do it. suggest we have another go at it sometime in the autumn.

                            Crispin
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                            On Mon, 21/8/17, bbbchrisp@... [BBB_wargames] <BBB_wargames@...> wrote:

                            Subject: [BBB_wargames] Re:: Coulmiers 1870, 2mm AAR
                            To: BBB_wargames@...
                            Date: Monday, 21 August, 2017, 8:17


                             









                            Crispin, Ronan, all,
                            Thanks for your reports. It really
                            does sound as though the Coulmiers scenario is too tough for
                            the French. What if we just drop the victory requirement by
                            one objective: French need 3 for a draw and 4 for a win?
                            Would that make it even, or just skew it in the other
                            direction? Should the French also earn an objective if they
                            inflict X casualties on the Bavarians?
                            Well done Ronan on taking Coulmiers
                            (even if you lost it again on the last turn), and on
                            converting another lucky chap to BBB.
                            Re the comments by Sebastien on your
                            blog post: the Bavarian strengths are correct, I believe,
                            and even if they had incorporated green recruits in the
                            ranks, the units were still better than the garde mobile, so
                            Trained is surely correct. Perhaps one could rate them
                            Fragile but I'm not sure that would be right. I think
                            the issue is the calibration of the victory conditions, not
                            the troop
                            ratings.
                            Chris










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                          • vtsaogames
                            ... I like this! Marengo is on tap for this coming Thursday and maybe the first game in September too, but then perhaps a change of pace to test Coulmiers
                            Message 13 of 13 , 21 Aug
                               French need 3 for a draw and 4 for a win? Would that make it even, or just skew it in the other direction?
                              > Should the French also earn an objective if they inflict X casualties on the Bavarians?

                              I like this! Marengo is on tap for this coming Thursday and maybe the first game in September too, but then perhaps a change of pace to test Coulmiers again. The table is so easy to set up.

                              I should think 1/4 or 1/3 losses among the Bavarians would make their position untenable. 
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