8932Re: V&A HG
- Dec 11, 2012HI All
I'm a dress historian in my day job - the dress on the 'head' is not particularly low-cut for 1770 (though normally a kerchief would cover the bosom).
As for male/female users - one of the most popular costumes for women going to masquerades and fancy-dress balls in the C18th was the 'savoyarde' complete with delicate guitar-backed gurdy. Zoffany did a portrait of a woman who lived in Calcutta in this costume - I posted it on the facebook gurdy forum. Bagpipes were always depicted with male players.
V&A galleries - I have been told by a contact in the V&A that a gurdy w(probably this one) will be included in the new European Dec Arts gallery, opening next year. I also advised them to talk to some players before writing the object labels!
--- In HurdyGurdyForum@..., Jim Alcock <hanibal.lector13@...> wrote:
> Sorry but I have to disagree with you both!. I was a re-enactor for the
> American rev war for some time and researched more than most on the subject
> and much more on the social side than the military. It still is a century
> that fascinates me. An off shoot of that was being a member of the Bath
> minuet Soc for several years.
> The decoration on this instrument is quite restrained for the period and
> of a high quality and I think is very nice. 18th c. taste was very
> different from todays and 'over the top' was order of the day. It was a
> statement of wealth as well. Perhaps you find it ugly because it's a guitar
> body, which I hate - this is the nicest I've seen.
> As for ladies instrument - I don't think so. The unusual head carving is
> actually quite saucy - this buxom lady is hitching up her dress to reveal
> the instrument emerging from... This is more likely a 'gentleman's
> conversation' piece, to be admired and fiddled with by said gentleman's
> male friends, it's size making it more easily concealed from the
> gentleman's wife. It might also explain the absence of a makers name.
> Just my tuppence worth, any other suggestions?
> Jim A.
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Mike Gilpin <
> mikegilpin@...> wrote:
> > **
> > That's the oil hole.
> > I've seen this instrument and it's tiny!
> > Cheers
> > Mike
> > www.hurdygurdy.biz
> > *From:* Richard York <richard@...>
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 11, 2012 10:35 AM
> > *To:* HurdyGurdyForum@...
> > *Subject:* Re: [HurdyGurdyForum] Re: V&A HG
> > Agreed.
> > What's the function of the small bridge with what looks like a golf tee on
> > it between the proper bridge and the tangent box?
> > The real pity is of course that as far as I'm aware all these goodies are
> > now locked away, since the V&A closed its instrument gallery. I was
> > fortunate enough to work there a few times when it was still open, and the
> > acoustic was spectacular for playing, but very hard to speak in!
> > Best wishes,
> > Richard
> > On 11/12/2012 10:26, richard338293 wrote:
> > Yes, really good photos. I always feel ambivalent about instruments that
> > look like this. On the one hand I recognise that they are intended to
> > impact the eye as classic 18th century elegant and beautiful but for me
> > they are WAY over the top and I actual find such instruments ugly. Plus
> > they look more like a fashion accessory than a serious musical instrument.
> > I do like the headstock, I didn't know bosoms were an option, but I wonder
> > how heavy it makes the instrument and how it affects the balance.
> > Presumably this one was a woman's instrument and from the looks of it
> > perhaps intended for lighter pieces, popular tunes etc. rather than actual
> > chamber sonatas like those of Baton, Lavigne et al, or not.
> > R
> > --- In mailto:HurdyGurdyForum%40yahoogroups.co.uk<HurdyGurdyForum%40yahoogroups.co.uk>,
> > "Scott Marshall" mailto:sklmarshall@ <sklmarshall@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Some great pics here:
> > http://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O58966/hurdy-gurdy-unknown/
> > >
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