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  • sarah moshe
    Hi all, The captioning I received in the States was through a Palantypist. I didn t know voice recognition technology existed for this kind of situation.
    Message 1 of 10 , Sep 1, 2002
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      Hi all,

      The captioning I received in the States was through a
      Palantypist. I didn't know voice recognition
      technology existed for this kind of situation. Either
      way they certainly didn't have this kind of technology
      in place. I would usually have the same Palantypist in
      all my classes and I was impressed with both the speed
      and accuracy of the words as they appeared on screen
      almost immediatley. If I didn't like a particular
      person in that I didn't feel they were fast/accurate
      enough I had the choice not to have them type for me
      again. Some of the Captioners varied slightly in
      their style and you do have to like and feel
      comfortable with the person who assists you, this
      really makes a big difference. If you get on well,
      they can and want to assist you much better/more.

      I must say I do like this topic of discussion and it
      can be expanded on a lot more. So please everyone
      feel free to voice your concerns/queries whatever they
      may be.

      I very fortunately met a profoundly deaf guy whilst
      waiting for the bus 2-days ago; he really inspired me
      because he went to Oxford University and did an
      engineering course. I wanted to ask him how he
      managed to get in but I felt I'd offend him because
      unlike me, he doesn't see how he should be any
      different to anyone else in terms of achievement -
      (current and potential achievement). I myself would
      immediately believe I'm not "good enough" even with
      high A-level grades and my ability to communicate very
      well with others. I mistakenly believed the
      University and most others had no place for deaf
      people. He was very positive and didn't have any
      concerns about getting in, he didn't let his deafness
      stop him from achieving or socialising a lot. He used
      the loop system with a radio microphone and that was
      all, he never got or asked for note-takers, he didn't
      feel he needed them and was happy with just maximising
      his hearing in lectures using just one piece of
      equipment. He had a lot of hearing friends and he
      enjoyed himself immensely. He was a member of the
      University Rowing Club, partied hard...he didn't
      isolate himself like I did at University. All through
      my 3-years there I didn't fit in because I didn't
      BELIEVE a deaf person would, so I kept myself to
      myself and made no lasting true friendships. I
      wouldn't let anyone know I was HOH, I kept it well
      hidden. What a waste of three difficult and lonely
      years! This guy I spoke to was no different to anyone
      else, he was nothing "special", if he could get in
      because he believed he should then so can anyone.

      I really do feel more support and encouragement should
      be given to people at University level who are both
      considering and currently attending. I want to create
      a louder voice so Universities and government can look
      into this matter, it's not given nearly enough
      recognition/priority and it makes me mad.


      Anyway, I hope to hear more from each and every one of
      you who have an interest in Higher Education. Don't
      think you've got nothing to write, if you put your
      mind to it, you will find something that's
      bothering/interests you, I promise.

      Sarah Moshe.

      --- imantunes <no_reply@...> wrote:
      > Thanks for all that info Sarah, it's so interesting
      > to see how
      > different university in different countries provide
      > support for the
      > deaf and HOH.
      >
      > About the captioning, could I ask you, was it all
      > computerised with
      > voice recognition (and if so, how good and accurate
      > was it?) or was
      > it through a palantypist?
      >
      > I would love to hear from any more members with
      > experience of
      > university, college, school or any course, where
      > support was provided
      > for HOH and deaf people (or not provided!). Also,
      > has deafness ever
      > stopped you from joining a course or starting a
      > degree?
      >
      > This is a very interesting thread of discussion and
      > I would like to
      > encourage you all to join in and add your comments,
      > views,
      > experiences, etc...
      >
      > Looking forward to hear from you all,
      >
      > Saffron
      >
      >




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    • mazza1961
      There is an article on the internet about support for deaf people studying in Oxford university. You can see it at
      Message 2 of 10 , Sep 2, 2002
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        There is an article on the internet about support for deaf people
        studying in Oxford university. You can see it at

        http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,3605,782330,00.html

        Hope the link works.

        Mazza
        --- In hardofhearinguk@y..., sarah moshe <sarahmoshe@y...> wrote:
        > Hi all,
        >
        > The captioning I received in the States was through a
        > Palantypist. I didn't know voice recognition
        > technology existed for this kind of situation. Either
        > way they certainly didn't have this kind of technology
        > in place. I would usually have the same Palantypist in
        > all my classes and I was impressed with both the speed
        > and accuracy of the words as they appeared on screen
        > almost immediatley. If I didn't like a particular
        > person in that I didn't feel they were fast/accurate
        > enough I had the choice not to have them type for me
        > again. Some of the Captioners varied slightly in
        > their style and you do have to like and feel
        > comfortable with the person who assists you, this
        > really makes a big difference. If you get on well,
        > they can and want to assist you much better/more.
        >
        > I must say I do like this topic of discussion and it
        > can be expanded on a lot more. So please everyone
        > feel free to voice your concerns/queries whatever they
        > may be.
        >
        > I very fortunately met a profoundly deaf guy whilst
        > waiting for the bus 2-days ago; he really inspired me
        > because he went to Oxford University and did an
        > engineering course. I wanted to ask him how he
        > managed to get in but I felt I'd offend him because
        > unlike me, he doesn't see how he should be any
        > different to anyone else in terms of achievement -
        > (current and potential achievement). I myself would
        > immediately believe I'm not "good enough" even with
        > high A-level grades and my ability to communicate very
        > well with others. I mistakenly believed the
        > University and most others had no place for deaf
        > people. He was very positive and didn't have any
        > concerns about getting in, he didn't let his deafness
        > stop him from achieving or socialising a lot. He used
        > the loop system with a radio microphone and that was
        > all, he never got or asked for note-takers, he didn't
        > feel he needed them and was happy with just maximising
        > his hearing in lectures using just one piece of
        > equipment. He had a lot of hearing friends and he
        > enjoyed himself immensely. He was a member of the
        > University Rowing Club, partied hard...he didn't
        > isolate himself like I did at University. All through
        > my 3-years there I didn't fit in because I didn't
        > BELIEVE a deaf person would, so I kept myself to
        > myself and made no lasting true friendships. I
        > wouldn't let anyone know I was HOH, I kept it well
        > hidden. What a waste of three difficult and lonely
        > years! This guy I spoke to was no different to anyone
        > else, he was nothing "special", if he could get in
        > because he believed he should then so can anyone.
        >
        > I really do feel more support and encouragement should
        > be given to people at University level who are both
        > considering and currently attending. I want to create
        > a louder voice so Universities and government can look
        > into this matter, it's not given nearly enough
        > recognition/priority and it makes me mad.
        >
        >
        > Anyway, I hope to hear more from each and every one of
        > you who have an interest in Higher Education. Don't
        > think you've got nothing to write, if you put your
        > mind to it, you will find something that's
        > bothering/interests you, I promise.
        >
        > Sarah Moshe.
        >
        > --- imantunes <no_reply@y...> wrote:
        > > Thanks for all that info Sarah, it's so interesting
        > > to see how
        > > different university in different countries provide
        > > support for the
        > > deaf and HOH.
        > >
        > > About the captioning, could I ask you, was it all
        > > computerised with
        > > voice recognition (and if so, how good and accurate
        > > was it?) or was
        > > it through a palantypist?
        > >
        > > I would love to hear from any more members with
        > > experience of
        > > university, college, school or any course, where
        > > support was provided
        > > for HOH and deaf people (or not provided!). Also,
        > > has deafness ever
        > > stopped you from joining a course or starting a
        > > degree?
        > >
        > > This is a very interesting thread of discussion and
        > > I would like to
        > > encourage you all to join in and add your comments,
        > > views,
        > > experiences, etc...
        > >
        > > Looking forward to hear from you all,
        > >
        > > Saffron
        > >
        > >
        >
        >
        >
        >
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      • Kerryn Krige
        I m leaping into this conversation blindly as I ve been away for awhile, and haven t been able to check my e-mails. I work for RNID in Scotland, and the
        Message 3 of 10 , Sep 2, 2002
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          I'm leaping into this conversation blindly as I've
          been away for awhile, and haven't been able to check
          my e-mails.
          I work for RNID in Scotland, and the organisation has
          developed a system of electronic notetaking
          (SpeedText), which has really taken off in education
          environments. Its been particularly good in Scotland
          as there aren't any palantypists here, and for us to
          book and pay for one is extremely expensive and almost
          impossible. I know several universities - such as
          Hallam university in Sheffield have also developed
          their own electronic note-taking systems.
          I don't mean this to be a punt at all for RNID
          services - i thought I'd just get involved as its
          useful to know about the different services out there,
          and the choice on offer. If anyone wants to know more,
          please don't hesitate to send me an e-mail.

          Cheers
          Kerryn


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          <tt>
          There is an article on the internet about support for
          deaf people <BR>
          studying in Oxford university.  You can see it at
          <BR>
          <BR>
          <a
          href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,3605,782330,00.html">http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,3605,782330,00.html</a><BR>
          <BR>
          Hope the link works.<BR>
          <BR>
          Mazza<BR>
          --- In hardofhearinguk@y..., sarah moshe
          <sarahmoshe@y...> wrote:<BR>
          > Hi all,<BR>
          > <BR>
          > The captioning I received in the States was
          through a<BR>
          > Palantypist.  I didn't know voice
          recognition<BR>
          > technology existed for this kind of
          situation.  Either<BR>
          > way they certainly didn't have this kind of
          technology<BR>
          > in place. I would usually have the same
          Palantypist in<BR>
          > all my classes and I was impressed with both the
          speed<BR>
          > and accuracy of the words as they appeared on
          screen<BR>
          > almost immediatley.  If I didn't like a
          particular<BR>
          > person in that I didn't feel they were
          fast/accurate<BR>
          > enough I had the choice not to have them type for
          me<BR>
          > again.  Some of the Captioners varied
          slightly in<BR>
          > their style and you do have to like and feel<BR>
          > comfortable with the person who assists you,
          this<BR>
          > really makes a big difference.  If you get
          on well,<BR>
          > they can and want to assist you much
          better/more.<BR>
          > <BR>
          > I must say I do like this topic of discussion and
          it<BR>
          > can be expanded on a lot more.  So please
          everyone<BR>
          > feel free to voice your concerns/queries whatever
          they<BR>
          > may be.  <BR>
          > <BR>
          > I very fortunately met a profoundly deaf guy
          whilst<BR>
          > waiting for the bus 2-days ago; he really
          inspired me<BR>
          > because he went to Oxford University and did
          an<BR>
          > engineering course.  I wanted to ask him how
          he<BR>
          > managed to get in but I felt I'd offend him
          because<BR>
          > unlike me, he doesn't see how he should be
          any<BR>
          > different to anyone else in terms of achievement
          -<BR>
          > (current and potential achievement).  I
          myself would <BR>
          > immediately believe I'm not "good
          enough" even with<BR>
          > high A-level grades and my ability to communicate
          very<BR>
          > well with others.  I mistakenly believed
          the<BR>
          > University and most others had no place for
          deaf<BR>
          > people.  He was very positive and didn't
          have any<BR>
          > concerns about getting in, he didn't let his
          deafness<BR>
          > stop him from achieving or socialising a
          lot.  He used<BR>
          > the loop system with a radio microphone and that
          was<BR>
          > all, he never got or asked for note-takers, he
          didn't<BR>
          > feel he needed them and was happy with just
          maximising<BR>
          > his hearing in lectures using just one piece
          of<BR>
          > equipment. He had a lot of hearing friends and
          he<BR>
          > enjoyed himself immensely.  He was a member
          of the<BR>
          > University Rowing Club, partied hard...he
          didn't<BR>
          > isolate himself like I did at University. 
          All through<BR>
          > my 3-years there I didn't fit in because I
          didn't<BR>
          > BELIEVE a deaf person would, so I kept myself
          to<BR>
          > myself and made no lasting true
          friendships.  I<BR>
          > wouldn't let anyone know I was HOH, I kept it
          well<BR>
          > hidden.  What a waste of three difficult and
          lonely<BR>
          > years!  This guy I spoke to was no different
          to anyone<BR>
          > else, he was nothing "special", if he
          could get in<BR>
          > because he believed he should then so can
          anyone.  <BR>
          > <BR>
          > I really do feel more support and encouragement
          should<BR>
          > be given to people at University level who are
          both<BR>
          > considering and currently attending.  I want
          to create<BR>
          > a louder voice so Universities and government can
          look<BR>
          > into this matter, it's not given nearly
          enough<BR>
          > recognition/priority and it makes me mad.<BR>
          > <BR>
          > <BR>
          > Anyway, I hope to hear more from each and every
          one of<BR>
          > you who have an interest in Higher
          Education.  Don't<BR>
          > think you've got nothing to write, if you put
          your<BR>
          > mind to it, you will find something that's<BR>
          > bothering/interests you, I promise.<BR>
          > <BR>
          > Sarah Moshe.<BR>
          > <BR>
          > --- imantunes <no_reply@y...> wrote:<BR>
          > > Thanks for all that info Sarah, it's so
          interesting<BR>
          > > to see how <BR>
          > > different university in different countries
          provide<BR>
          > > support for the <BR>
          > > deaf and HOH. <BR>
          > > <BR>
          > > About the captioning, could I ask you, was
          it all<BR>
          > > computerised with <BR>
          > > voice recognition (and if so, how good and
          accurate<BR>
          > > was it?) or was <BR>
          > > it through a palantypist?<BR>
          > > <BR>
          > > I would love to hear from any more members
          with<BR>
          > > experience of <BR>
          > > university, college, school or any course,
          where<BR>
          > > support was provided <BR>
          > > for HOH and deaf people (or not provided!).
          Also,<BR>
          > > has deafness ever <BR>
          > > stopped you from joining a course or
          starting a<BR>
          > > degree?<BR>
          > > <BR>
          > > This is a very interesting thread of
          discussion and<BR>
          > > I would like to <BR>
          > > encourage you all to join in and add your
          comments,<BR>
          > > views, <BR>
          > > experiences, etc...<BR>
          > > <BR>
          > > Looking forward to hear from you all,<BR>
          > > <BR>
          > > Saffron<BR>
          > > <BR>
          > > <BR>
          > <BR>
          > <BR>
          > <BR>
          > <BR>
          >
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