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  • Neale Ferguson
    Apr 19, 2009
      Re: SV: SV: [king_quainton] Re: Thomas Layton King I have the following on Edward’s immigration from the NSW State Archives online index, notice Thomas L King also on the manifest:

      KING    Edward    3    Maria    1850    Sydney and/or Newcastle    and family    Reel 2136, [4/4786] Page 607; Reel 2461, [4/4918]    
      KING    Emma    19    Maria    1850    Sydney and/or Newcastle    and husband    Reel 2136, [4/4786] Page 607; Reel 2461, [4/4918]    
      KING    Mary Anne    34    Maria    1850    Sydney and/or Newcastle    and family    Reel 2136, [4/4786] Page 607; Reel 2461, [4/4918]    
      KING    Mary Anne    inft    Maria    1850    Sydney and/or Newcastle    and family    Reel 2136, [4/4786] Page 607; Reel 2461, [4/4918]    
      KING    Morris    20    Maria    1850    Sydney and/or Newcastle    and wife    Reel 2136, [4/4786] Page 607; Reel 2461, [4/4918]    
      KING    Thomas L    31    Maria    1850    Sydney and/or Newcastle    and family    Reel 2136, [4/4786] Page 607; Reel 2461, [4/4918]


      From Sydney Gazette 1 July 1850:

      Maria, ship, 163 tons, Marsh, in the stream; H. Moore, agent. About to discharge.

      ibid page 174:

      June 29 -- Maria, ship, 1014 tons, Captain Stubbs, from Plymouth the 7th March. Passengers - Mr. Marshall, Mater West, 299 immigrants, and Dr. West, Surgeon Superintendent.

      ibid page 175:

      The Maria has been 114 days from Plymouth. The emigrants are classed as follow :- 16 married couples, 254 single women, (orphan girls), 3 boys, and 10 infants. She sighted the Santipore, with emigrants, for Port Phillip and Sydney, off King's Island, on the 22nd June.


      On 4/17/09 3:21 PM, "Andy Hyde" <andy@...> wrote:
       

      Hei Neale,

      I sent the link just as I received your post.

      Here is some information that is interesting.

      There is an Edward R King born in Oxford, England abt 1850 to Edward (b 1828 Berkshire, Newbury) and Mary (b. 1829 Oxford), other children Mary Sarah (1852 Oxford) and Minnie J (1858 Middlesex, St Pancras). Edward R is on FreeBMD as Edward Richard Mar Q 1850 and Mary Sarah is also on FreeBMD. They are on the 1851 census and then also the 1861 census. Edward sr and Mary are on the 1871 census but I cant find the children on the 1871 to 1901 censuses (as far as I can see). Edward Richard on your tree Neale married in 1873 and a good marriage age is 23 (i.e. born 1850). Is there an Edward R arriving in Australia between 1861 and 1873 maybe with Mary Sarah and Minnie J? I looked on Ancestry but couldn't fine any except for lonely Edwards which is not enough to proove anything.

      Andy



      Fra: king_quainton@... [mailto:king_quainton@...] På vegne av Neale Ferguson
      Sendt: 17. april 2009 20:26
      Til: king_quainton@...
      Emne: Re: SV: [king_quainton] Re: Thomas Layton King

      Yep, that’s my ancestry.com stuff. I have to check my certificates, I thought I had the marriage of Edward and Emily Cannon but can’t find it to verify if it’s the same Edward Richard.


      On 4/17/09 2:01 PM, "Andy Hyde" <andy@...> wrote:


      Here is my link  to the Edward Richard.

      http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3022466&id=I593470752

      Andy


       

      Fra: king_quainton@...  [mailto:king_quainton@...]  På vegne av bagnva@...
      Sendt: 17.  april 2009 19:57
      Til: king_quainton@...
      Emne:  Re: [king_quainton] Re: Thomas Layton King

      Neale,  thank you for looking into this,  please advise me when you find out  something.  Valerie


      -----Original  Message-----
      From: Neale Ferguson <NealeFerguson@...>
      To:  king_quainton@...
      Sent:  Thu, 16 Apr 2009 8:15 pm
      Subject: Re: [king_quainton] Re: Thomas Layton  King



      pswan@...  was/is the e-mail address of my wife’s cousin who gave me some of the  information that’s now under consideration. I’m trying to work out where our  information diverges to see what records need to be obtained to  confirm/unconfirm our conclusions.


      On 4/15/09 10:50 PM, "bagnva@..." <bagnva@...>  wrote:

       

        

      &nbs   p;

       
      Hi Andy,
      Thank you for  your quick response and answers.  I  have been kind of out of the  genealogy frame of mind recently as I am doing  this local history  course at Exeter.  But here is some additional  information;   Mark King buried 12 Sept 1954 Berri NSW, died Mophett Vale  SA,  Eliza died 5 Dec 1937, buried 6 Dec Katanning WA.  In regards to   Edward king born 1846 I have a totally different set of wife and  children.   I don't know where I got them from.  But I was  just looking on the  internet and there is somebody else who has Thomas  and Ann with an Edward  Richard, they don't have any info more than  that but their email address is  
      pswan@..... I do have information on some of the other childrens famlies.   Valerie

      <mailto:pswan@...>    
       
      -----Original Message-----
      From: andyhyde2002  <andy@...>
      To:  king_quainton@...
      Sent:  Mon, 13  Apr 2009 10:50 am
      Subject: [king_quainton] Re: Thomas  Layton  King

       
        

        
      Two  of Edward King  and Ann Layton' s children emigrated. Charles Edward  first in 1847 to Adeliade  on the Theresa and then Thomas Layton King  in 1850 on the Maria to  Sydney

      Here is what I have on the  children of Charles Edward and Thomas  Layton.

      Descendants of  Charles Edward   King
      ----------------------------------
      Charles  Edward  King b. 9 Mar 1829, Whitchurch, Buckinghamshire, England, d. 8  May 1888,  Georgetown, South Australia, Australia
       +Maria Hunt  b. Jul 1826,  Uffcott, Wiltshire, England, d. 20 Oct 1913, Henley  Beach, South  Australia
      |--------1) Maria King b. 25 Aug 1855,  Morphett Vale, South  Australia, Australia,  d. 31 Dec 1939,  Subiaco, WA
      |--------2) Joseph  King b. 3 Dec 1856, Morphett Vale,  South Australia, Australia,  d. 6 Feb  1911, Georgetown, South  Australia, Australia
      |--------3) Sarah King b. 27  Apr 1858,  Morphett Vale, South Australia, Australia,   d. 22 Aug  1929,  Katanning, Western Australia, Australia
      |--------4) Rebecca King b. 6   Sep 1859, Morphett Vale, South Australia, Australia, d. 21 Nov 1915,   Katanning, Western Australia, Australia
      |--------5) Charles Edward  King b.  15 Feb 1861, Morphett Vale, South Australia, Australia, d. 25  Dec 1861,  Morphett Vale, South Australia, Australia
      |--------6)  Mark King b. 29 Mar  1862, Morphett Vale, South Australia, Australia,  d. 1955
      |--------7) Eliza  King b. 1863, South Australia, Australia,  d. 1937
      |--------8) Annie King b.  12 Oct 1865, Morphett Vale, South  Australia, Australia,  d. 17 Aug 1958,  Adelaide, S outh  Australia, Australia
      |--------9) William King b. 16 Dec  1866,  Morphett Vale, South Australia, Australia, d. 19 Jun   1935
      |--------10) Emma King b. 17 May 1868, Morphett Vale, South  Australia,  Australia,  d. 22 Nov 1954, Galston, New South Wales,   Australia
      |--------11) Julia King b. 17 Aug 1870, Morphett Vale,  South  Australia, Australia, d. 17 Aug 1872, Georgetown, South  Australia,  Australia
      |--------12) Rhoda King b. 25 Nov 1871,  Guinare, , South  Australia, Australia, d. 31 Aug 1872, Morphett Vale,  South Australia,  Australia

      Descendants of Thomas Layton King  sr. (b.   1819)
      ---------------------------------
      Thomas  Layton  King b. 1819, Haddenham, , Buckinghamshire, England, d. 1904,  Morphett Vale,  South Australia, Australia
       +Wife 1: May Ann  Broad b. 13 Jul 1816,  Maidstone, Kent, England, d. 1884, Parkes,  Ashburnham County, Nsw,  Australia
      |--------1) Edward King b. 4 Sep  1846, Walworth, Surry, England,  d. 1932, Perth, Western  Australia
      |--------2) May Ann King b. Dec Q 1849,  Whitchurch,  Buckingham, England
      |--------3) Thomas Layton King b. 1852,   Morphett Vale, South Australia, Australia
      |--------4) William King  b. 1 Jul  1856, Morphett Vale, South Australia,  Australia
      |--------5) Samuel King b.  4 Aug 1857, Morphett Vale,  South Australia, Australia, d. 29 Nov 1936, Minyip,  Victoria,  Australia
      |--------6) John King b. 12 Feb 1860, Morphett Vale,   South Australia, Australia
       +Wife 2: Mary Ann Richards b.  1833,  Morphett Vale, South Australia, Australi a, d.  1894
       +Wife 3: Eliza  Chapman (Gorman) b.   1835
      ---------------------------------

      Descendants  of  Edward King
      --------------------------
      Edward King  b. 4 Sep  1846, Walworth, Surry, England, d. 1932, Perth, Western   Australia
       +Francis Woodings (Fanny) b. 19 Sep 1849, Goodwood,   Hindmarsh, South Australia, Australia, d. 1912, West Midland, Western   Australia, Australia
      |--------Charlotte Frances King b. 4 Feb 1869,   Morphett Vale, South Australia, Australia, d. 1877, Victoria,   Australia
      |--------Walter Edward Malcolm King b. 19 Feb 1871,  Hynam, nr  Naracoorte, South Australia, Australia
      |--------Charles  Frank King b. Abt  1876, Minyip, Victoria, Australia, d. 1955, Horsham,  Victoria,  Australia
      |--------Charlotte Marion King b. 1879, Minyip,  Victoria,  Australia, d. 1970, North Fremantle, Western Australia,   Australia
      |--------Annie Matilda King b. 1879, Minyip, Victoria,   Australia
      |--------Herbert Andrew King b. 1884, Minyip, Victoria,   Australia
      |--------Ada King b. 1886, Minyip, Victoria,   Australia
      |--------George William Layton Broad King b. 1 Jul 1888,  Minyip,  Victoria, Australia, d. 1981, Dumbleyung, Western Australia,   Australia
      |--------Jane Harriet King b. 14 Apr 1891, Minyip,  Victoria,  Australia
      |--------Richard King b. 14 Apr 1891, Minyip,  Victoria,  Australia, d. 15 Apr 1891, Minyip, Victoria,   Australia
      --------------------------

      Descendants  of Thomas  Layton King,  jr.
      ---------------------------------
      Thomas   Layton King b. 1852 , Morphett Vale, South Australia,   Australia
       +Sarah Ann Barker b. 1859, Ararat, Victoria,   Australia
      |--------Mary Ann King b. 1880, Minyip, Victoria,   Australia
      |--------William Hector King b. 1882, Minyip, Victoria,   Australia
      |--------George Layton King b. 10 Apr 1884, Minyip,  Victoria,  Australia, d. 1885, Minyip, Victoria,  Australia
      |--------Charles David King  b. 22 Aug 1885, Minyip,  Victoria, Australia
      |--------Agnes Jane King b.  1889, Minyip,  Victoria, Australia
      |--------Samuel Herbet King b. 1891, d.  1940,  Ballarat, Victoria, Australia
      |--------Frederick Arthur King d. 1963,   Scone district, NSW, Australia
      |--------Emanuel Edward King b.  1896, South  Australia, d. 10 Jul 1946, Port Macquarie, New South  Wales,   Australia
      ---------------------------------

      I  think  the Edward Richard and Mary Ann children to Thomas Layton and  Mary Ann Broad  are a red herring. I had these at first from Neale  Ferguson's tree on  WorldConnect but then these new connections with  Layton Kings came up and I  revised my tree as above.
      The marriage  to Sarah Ann Barker is to Thomas  Layton jr. born 1852 in Morphett Vale  confirmed by the birth registrations for  George Layton (father age 32  in 1884) and Charles David (father aged 33 in  1885). The Australian  birth, marriage and death records from Victoria are  fantastic. They  list lots of useful information, not least the age and birth  places of  parents but also all other children born to the same   couple.

      Andy

      --- In king_quainton@...  <mailto:king_quainton%40yahoogroups.co.uk>   , bagnva@... wrote:

      >  Hi, sorry for the delay in  getting back  to you regarding the "Kings" in Australia. I have Charles  Edward King,  emigrating to Australia on 9 May 1847 Arriving on the  'Theresa' South  Australia, but also have him on the immigration index  in 1850 which support  your theory that he possibly? returned to  England at some point prior to  1850.? his marriage to Maria Jackson  nee Hunt is listed as Manse, Bible  Christians, Gladstone SA 19 may  1853. First child born Morphett Vale 1855,  eleventh and twelfth born  in Geogetown.? Thomas Layton King married to Mary  Ann Broad Dec 1845  Newington Surrey, England had two children prior to  emigrating to  Australia, leaving from Plymouth 7 Mar 1850 arriving Sydney 29  Jun  1850 . Children Edward Richard, 1847, Mary Ann 1840, .Thomas? ?, William   ?. Ann ?, Samuel 4 Aug 1857 and another child unknown.? Second wife  Sarah Ann  Barker m. 1874. Child Emmanuel Edward Kin g 1896.? Does any  one have the birth  dates of the other? to Mary Ann. There also seem to  be a lot of years  inbetween marriage to Sarah Ann and the birth of  Emmanuel, are there other  children born during this time frame.  Valerie
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